The "Wot Plane" Thread.

[Romantic Techno]

Let's make OPEN HOUSE for one lap.

Regards, RT

[Zebedee]

Ok... heres one for the open house...

Zeb

[Al Elliott]

Originally Posted by John Aeroclub

Vendome it is
John

But which one?

Ok, the last one is a Lincoln Playboy.

Al

[Zebedee]

Al you are spot on... over to you...

Zeb

[dan_pub]

Originally Posted by Al Elliott

[Vendome] But which one?

I think it is the Vendome Moustique 1909.

[Al Elliott]

Originally Posted by dan_pub

I think it is the Vendome Moustique 1909.

My source ("French Aeroplanes before the Great War" by Leonard E. Opdycke, Schiffer 1999 p. 258) supports this view.
It shows a photo with a man carrying this aeroplane on his shoulders:
a true microlight indeed.

Now try this.

Al

[Al Elliott]

Country of origin: USA

Al

[Ridge Runner]

I''m confused gents! Was the image in #2212 answered? The Cunliffe?

RR
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[Al Elliott]

Originally Posted by Ridge Runner

I''m confused gents! Was the image in #2212 answered? The Cunliffe?

RR, the "Cunliffe" in #2212, which is a Dewoitine 430, was answered in #2214 by John Aeroclub.
The current "WotPlane" is #2226.

Both types were almost contemporaries, only one year apart, the Dewoitine being the younger one, despite looking definitely older...

Al

[John Aeroclub]

Unusual but I get no "sparks" from this one. are they Wright engines?

John

[Al Elliott]

My source says these are Packard engines, but in other times
this aeroplane was powered by Wright engines.

Al

[Al Elliott]

Funny by the way that you mention not getting "sparks".
Maybe there's a reason for this ... oooh, I see...

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks Al Elliott!

[John Aeroclub]

Packard diesels?

[barnstormer]

Would not have gotten it without the "no sparks" clue..
This is the 1930 Stewart M-2 Monoplane with 2 Packard 225hp DR-980 diesel engines.
I had some original 1930s papers of Walter Lees, that included his job application to the President of the Waco Aircraft Company. Lees was lamenting that there was very little interest in continuing the develpment of their Packard Diesel engine and needed a job in aviation , during the heart of the Great Depression. Lees was Packard;' cheif test pilot, and had set some records with packard Diesel aircraft. You can see his letter and LOTS of diesel aircraft on the Early Birds website

[John Aeroclub]

And I just came to the same a/c The Stewart M.2. Off which I know little. I would have got it earlier but my idiot spaniel demanded to play ball.

John

[Al Elliott]

barnstormer has it.
The Stewart M-2 it is.

Al

[barnstormer]

I know what you mean, John. My wife left last week for a two months visit to our kids and Grandkids, so one of the highlights of each day is throwing the ball for my dog.
I think this is going to be a harder one. But it is a beautiful design.

[John Aeroclub]

American a/c of this time are so formulaic with only small changes to distinguish one design from another. My first instincts were Bourdon or Butler but it's neither.

John

[barnstormer]

Okay. seems some hints are needed.
Here is a photo showing that it is NOT a homebuilt. After this factory photo, I think the identification may be fast. The company also built other planes. This was not their only effort. some of the top U.S. aircraft builders were area neighbors.

[barnstormer]

more help..

[avion ancien]

Hmmm, are you sure that you have the right bird? I thought that it was a swallow but my wife, who is always right on matters avian, tells me that the bird in the photo is a swift. Now there seems to be too large a gap in the previous photo for it to be the Swift Aircraft Corporation. If it was otherwise then I'd hazard a guess at the Swift Sport or the Swift Model 19 (being honest, those are the only two of the company's products of which I can find photos on the web!). But if you meant to post a picture of a Swallow, then maybe the reinstatement of the missing word, in the previous photo, would give Swallow Aircraft Corporation and, if so, maybe your mystery bird (not the feathered version) is the Swallow OX-5.

[John Aeroclub]

It's not OX.5 as this denotes the engine, However I think this is one of the Wichita manufacturers

There were both Swift and Swallow companies at this time. I think this might be a Swallow but which model? One very similar a/c is the Swift Sport.

John

[groundhugger]

Is It the Swallow T29 Model ?

[barnstormer]

Well we DO need to keep moving on..
So with avion ancien's wife's birdwatching expertise and help, it IS: (the aerofiles listing/stats)
Swift 19 1929 = Sport with Wright J-6-5. POP: 1 [X8864] c/n 6.
I photoshopped the tail registration number (X8864) for the challenge photo.
The first photo of it (above) is an Original 1929 photo from the Curtiss Wright Company files. It was filed by them, as a user of their Wright J-6-5 aero engine. The back of the photo is marked "Swift Sportsman, Whirlwind engine."
So the listing at aerofiles may need that "minor" correction. Aerofiles website is perhaps the best quick reference website on the net, but there are still many tweaks and corrections, to be made, as they admit and welcome.
The Swift Company built their aircraft in Wichita Kansas, Home of many other famous aircraft companies. (Cessna, Beech and MANY others)
Over to you A.A.

[pagen01]

Originally Posted by barnstormer

The first photo of it (above) is an Original 1929 photo from the Curtiss Wright Company files. It was filed by them, as a user of their Wright J-6-5 aero engine.

Strangely I was thinking it was a Curtiss Wright aircraft, are there other links apart from the engine? Just look at that tail! And didn't they use the Sportsman name?

[avion ancien]

Well there's an unexpected result. However you needn't worry that Mrs AA will log on and insist on posting images of our feathered friends! But give me until tomorrow and I'll post something to keep you occupied for at least a few minutes. It may just be French.............!

[groundhugger]

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[avion ancien]

I apologise for the quality of the image. I didn't splash out on this one. So let's sea whether it is planely too esea for some of you!

[pagen01]

Is it err, a Splash Seaplane EC!