Su-30MKM cockpit pics

[Kusch]

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/05/27/3776
http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/05/27/3796#more-3796

[the_baphomet_00]

WOWWWW ....!!!

[Altynai]

Wow, this is one of the few Su-30 series that does not have a teal colored cockpit. The Grey suits it nicely!

[Himanshu]

MKM looks fabulous..

http://pilot.strizhi.info

[rayrubik]

Looks very similar to the MKI cockpit.All the analogue gauges are present but HUD is different.There also seems to be less no. of switches in the pilots cockpit and also in the side switch panels in the MKM.Also in the topmost picture there is a skyblue coloured display screen with buttons on the port side panel..that is absent in the MKI.Can anyone guess what it is?The WSO's cockpit looks almost identical except for the sidepanels.

And yeah grey coloured furniture is so much better than the teal coloured one in MKI.

[flex297]

Originally Posted by rayrubik

Looks very similar to the MKI cockpit.All the analogue gauges are present but HUD is different.

Yes, instead of El-Op SU967, a model made by Thales is installed.

Originally Posted by rayrubik

Also in the topmost picture there is a skyblue coloured display screen with buttons on the port side panel..that is absent in the MKI.Can anyone guess what it is?

Wrong. The same display is featured on the MKI..

[Hyperwarp]

Originally Posted by flex297

Wrong. The same display is featured on the MKI..

This one?

[rayrubik]

Originally Posted by flex297

Wrong. The same display is featured on the MKI..

Ah well..!It is present in the MKI it seems.Couldnt see it on the pictures I had.Thanks.

Yes, instead of El-Op SU967, a model made by Thales is installed.

Yup.

[piranas]

Originally Posted by Altynai

Wow, this is one of the few Su-30 series that does not have a teal colored cockpit. The Grey suits it nicely!

it is expected that the Algerian MKA will be identical

[George J]

Umm I dont think thats a display (the one thats pointed to with a red arrow). IIRC its actually a touch screen data input panel. On the opposite of the pilot is the MKI toaster: mission data input slot, which seems to be std Su-30MK fitments.

So what are the fundamental difference b/w MKM and MKI?

Common:
Indian RC1/2
Indian MC1/2?
Aviatronics MAWS

Different:
Aviatronics ECM/RWR on the MKM (vs. Israeli ECM and Indian RWR on MKI)
Thales WA HUD on the MKM (vs. Israeli El-Op SU967)

[sealordlawrence]

Originally Posted by George J

Umm I dont think thats a display (the one thats pointed to with a red arrow). IIRC its actually a touch screen data input panel. On the opposite of the pilot is the MKI toaster: mission data input slot, which seems to be std Su-30MK fitments.

So what are the fundamental difference b/w MKM and MKI?

Common:
Indian RC1/2
Indian MC1/2?
Aviatronics MAWS

Different:
Aviatronics ECM/RWR on the MKM (vs. Israeli ECM and Indian RWR on MKI)
Thales WA HUD on the MKM (vs. Israeli El-Op SU967)

You must have a serious ego problem to propose a question then answer it yourself in a single post!

Anyway I thought you were too good to post here- something about this being the forum of the Oracle?

[SOC]

Just curious, why isn't the MKM shown with the R-77? Only the R-27 and R-73 are being carried...

[George J]

Edit: I am just going to update this list based on what folks post. Or what I can glean before this thread gets Oraclized!

CFE that are common:
1) HAL/DARE RC1/2 <-Verified
2) SAAB Aviatronics MAWS


CFE that are different:
1) SAAB Aviatronics RWR on the MKM (vs. Indian RWR on MKI)
(a) Russian ECM (Pit's translation) (vs. Israeli and Indian (and soon next gen. russian) ECM)
2) Thales WA HUD on the MKM (vs. Israeli El-Op SU967)
3) Thales Reco-NG Digital Reconnaissance Pod (Pit)
4) Thales Democles (vs. Israeli Litening LDP)
5) Rohde Schwarz VHF/UHF Airborne Transceiver Family M3AR for voice and data communication offers the most important EPM (ECCM) methods (Azhar)

[Pit]

Read at a page that it uses a new Russian made data processor...wathever that means.

And a Russian ECM system.

Comms are probably english (remember the "english cryptologic system" it was anounced).

Passive EW is south-african (SAAB Avitronik MSWS system)

Nav Imaging Infrared and targetting infrared system is french (NavFlir and Damòcles)...it seems NavFlir is internal to the aircraft (no pod), or so you can see a suspicious optical glaring down on the nose (just down of the IRST ball)

Thales announced also in the past LIMA, that Su-30MKM will carry Reco-NG system.

All altogether a beatiful aircraft...

[Trident]

Originally Posted by SOC

Just curious, why isn't the MKM shown with the R-77? Only the R-27 and R-73 are being carried...

That got me too - the missiles below the intakes also have a gray radome rather than a white one like those between the nacelles. Live missile vs. inert mock-up? R-27R vs. R-27ER? Or could this even be the resurrection of the R-27AE? Or just a gray radome? Very confusing!

Originally Posted by Pit

...it seems NavFlir is internal to the aircraft (no pod), or so you can see a suspicious optical glaring down on the nose (just down of the IRST ball)

http://pilot.strizhi.info/wp-content...mg_9643_sm.jpg

This one? Looks more ECM-related to me, it appears to be the same system as the one found on the fuselage spine.

[sealordlawrence]

Originally Posted by Pit

Read at a page that it uses a new Russian made data processor...wathever that means.

And a Russian ECM system.

Comms are probably english (remember the "english cryptologic system" it was anounced).

Passive EW is south-african (SAAB Avitronik MSWS system)

Nav Imaging Infrared and targetting infrared system is french (NavFlir and Damòcles)...it seems NavFlir is internal to the aircraft (no pod), or so you can see a suspicious optical glaring down on the nose (just down of the IRST ball)

Thales announced also in the past LIMA, that Su-30MKM will carry Reco-NG system.

All altogether a beatiful aircraft...

Indeed its a fantastic piece kit!

[Azhar]

BTW the radios/comms are german from rohde-schwarz.

Azhar

[HuntingHawk]

Btw GeorgeJ, Welcome Back

[Nick_76]

George J, welcome back!!! The fact that your posting itself gets the oracles knickers in a twist is even better.

mission data input slot, which seems to be std Su-30MK fitments.

Can you point out where this is?

Indian MC1/MC2

This is only on the Indian MKI...remember that India wants the MKI source codes to integrate any third party weapon (MC handles the navi-attack computations). I dont think the RMAF has asked for that level of access. Azhar, et al correct me if I am wrong.

[Wengkius]

Originally Posted by George J

No no.........I want the complete list. Don't tell me thats complete list of difference?

And you got all the terms wrong. This is the Oracle forum and you get Oraclized by reading/posting on here. But since I have a soft corner for the MKI, I am gonna take my chances.

Edit: I am just going to update this list based on what folks post. Or what I can glean before this thread gets Oraclized!

CFE that are common:
1) HAL/DARE RC1/2
2) HAL/DARE MC1/2?
3) SAAB Aviatronics MAWS

CFE that are different:
1) SAAB Aviatronics ECM/RWR on the MKM (vs. Israeli ECM and Indian RWR on MKI)
(a) Pit says Russian ECM (no source)
2) Thales WA HUD on the MKM (vs. Israeli El-Op SU967)
3) Thales Reco-NG Digital Reconnaissance Pod (Pit)
4) LDP??? (vs. Israeli Litening LDP)
(a) NavFlir internal (no source, nothing to indicate a FLIR/LR window)
5) Rohde Schwarz VHF/UHF Airborne Transceiver Family M3AR for voice and data communication offers the most important EPM (ECCM) methods (Azhar)

George: The LDP on the MKM will be from Thales as well. (Damocles).

[Peter G]

Damocles has the option of the Nahar nav FLIR inside the pylon.

[sealordlawrence]

Originally Posted by Trident

That got me too - the missiles below the intakes also have a gray radome rather than a white one like those between the nacelles. Live missile vs. inert mock-up? R-27R vs. R-27ER? Or could this even be the resurrection of the R-27AE? Or just a gray radome? Very confusing!



http://pilot.strizhi.info/wp-content...mg_9643_sm.jpg

This one? Looks more ECM-related to me, it appears to be the same system as the one found on the fuselage spine.

I think Pit was reffering to the small silver window type thing just below the IRST ball in front of the cockpit canopy.

[Flanker_man]

Originally Posted by sealordlawrence

I think Pit was reffering to the small silver window type thing just below the IRST ball in front of the cockpit canopy.

What - this ???



If so, then that is just an aerodynamic wedge to keep the IRST window clean....

Ken

[Flanker_man]

Have you seen the latest pics from the Strijhi website???

The caption says...

[i]Кабина Су-27СМ. Тренажер принимал участие в съемках фильма “Зеркальные войны”. У него на борту еще номер остался 801/I]

...which, with my limited Russian I can make out the words 'Cockpit Su-27SM'... it also refers to the film 'Mirror Wars' - and the Su-35UB bort 801 used in that film.

Anyone with better Russian ????







Ken

[pesho]

Кабина Су-27СМ. Тренажер принимал участие в съемках фильма “Зеркальные войны”. У него на борту еще номер остался 801

Cockpit of Su-27SM.The trainer participate in the shoot of the movie "Mirror wars".On the trainer there is still the number 801.

[flex297]

Originally Posted by Flanker_man

[i]Кабина Су-27СМ. Тренажер принимал участие в съемках фильма “Зеркальные войны”. У него на борту еще номер остался 801/I]

...which, with my limited Russian I can make out the words 'Cockpit Su-27SM'... it also refers to the film 'Mirror Wars' - and the Su-35UB bort 801 used in that film.

Anyone with better Russian ????

Translation:
Cockpit of Su-27SM. This simulator took part in footages of the movie Mirror Wars. The number 801 is still retained on the sides.

Comments:
1. In mirror wars a Su-35UB was used, not Su-27SM.
2. This ain't a cockpit of a Su-35UB, whcih looks totally different
3. It also ain't a cokpit of Su-27SM, since SM is a modernized variant of a single-seater Su-27S
4. The cockpit is almost identical to Su-30MKK with the exception of the small centrally-positioned LCD display in the front office.
5. I think it is a cockpit of Su-27UBM.

[Pit]

Самолет Су-30МКМ («многоцелевой, коммерческий, малазийский») является новейшей версией широко известного многофункционального истребителя Су-30МКИ, имеет аналогичный планер, современный двигатель с управляемым вектором тяги (УВТ) и новейшую цифровую систему управления. Модификация МКМ отличается от МКИ составом бортового оборудования. Французская фирма ТHALES поставляет индикатор на лобовом стекле (HUD), навигационный сенсор NAVFLIR и контейнер лазерного подсвета (LDP Damocles). Система радиоэлектронного противодействия (РЭП), современный радар с фазированной антенной решеткой, способный одновременно вести 15 и атаковать 4 цели, оптико-локационная система с лазерным дальномером поставляются ведущими российскими предприятиями.

The system radio-electronic counteractions (RAP), a modern radar with the phased antenna lattice, capable simultaneously messages 15 and to attack 4 purposes, optical-location system with a laser range finder are delivered by the leading Russian enterprises

http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/05/27/3776

There is a source for the Russian ECM equipment.

Have to correct myself, what I thouh it was an optical opening it's indeed not an optical opening but some antenna...

[ha27]

Su-30MKM video
http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/06/01/3879

[George J]

Nick:
Actually I was wrong. It's a compartment 2 feature not compartment 1 and it can be seen in the Vayu Sena Tripod pics of the MKI compartment 2 (rear cockpit). You will see nothing on the same real estate on the MKM.



As always, RWR fails means this pic was actually taken on the ground and the instrumentations were started up for "display purposes only" not for actual flight.

I am not sure if there is open source info on the the memory card, its use or its capacity. So its sorta futile going into that aspect of the MKI. What is important to consider is WHY the MKM does not have it, if it does not have it, does it mean they don't have similar mission planning h/w on the ground or they are just more advanced as they upload their mission parameters and other important stuff in some other manner.

And what you said about the MC1/2 might play into the above answer

Originally Posted by from Vayu Sena

The 32-bit Mission Computer performs mission-oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration-cum-redundancy management and in-flight systems self-tests.

[star49]

HUD/MFD/LDP/FLIR are French. Radar/IRST/EW Russian. Laser/Missile Warning South African. Only HMS is unknown.

http://www.irkut.com/en/news/press_r...x.php?id48=252
THE FIRST TWO SERIALLY PRODUCED Su-30MKM FIGHTERS FOR THE ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED.

Irkutsk Aviation plant – 24th May 2007. The first two serially produced Su-30MKM fighter aircraft for the Royal Malaysan Airforce (RMAF) were rolled out and demonstrated today at the Irkutsk Aviation plant. The ceremony was attended by a high-ranking delegation of the Malaysian Defence Ministry and the RMAF, top management of “Rosoboronexport”, the Russian aircraft design and production agencies, and a large number of media representatives from Malaysia and Russia.

In 2003 the Su-30МКМ was selected by the RMAF with the main competing aircraft being the American F-18 Super Hornet. In August 2003, during the course of President Vladimir Putin’s official visit to Malaysia, the contract for the supply of a number of Su30MKM aircraft was signed. Up until then the RMAF mainly operated aircraft of Western origin, except for the Russian MiG-29s held in high esteem by the RMAF.

The Su-30МКМ (multi-role, commercial, Malaysian) is the latest version of the renowned multifunctional fighter the Su-30МКI. This was delivered to the Indian Air Force by the “Irkut” Corporation in 2002-2004 and is now being produced under license by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (India). The successful operation of the Su-30MKI in India greatly influenced the decision of the Malaysian top brass in the selection process of the multi-role aircraft requirement for the RMAF.

The Su-30МКМ was developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau on basis of the super maneuverable fighter the Su-30MKI. The aircraft has the same aerodynamically perfect airframe, state-of-the-art engine with the Thrust Vector Control (TVC) and the most advanced digital fly-by-wire system. The MKM version differs from the MKI by virtue of the composition of the onboard avionics. The French company ТHALES supplies the Head-up display (HUD), navigational forward-looking IR system NAVFLIR and Laser Designation pod (LDP Damocles). Aircraft carries missile approach warning sensor (MAWS) and laser warning sensor (LWS) manufactured by the AVITRONICS company (South Africa).

The electronic warfare (EW) system, up-to-date radar (with a phased antenna array capable of simultaneously tracking 15 and attacking 4 targets), optic-location system with the laser rangefinder are all produced by leading Russian manufacturers.