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Old 25th August 2005, 04:38
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Lightbulb India to develop ICBM

BOOST TO INDIAN ARMED FORCES’ DETERRENCE ARSENAL
India to develop intercontinental ballistic missile

By Madhuprasad N DH News Service Bangalore:


India will soon develop an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with a flight range of 9,000-12,000 km.

According to sources in the ministry of defence (MoD), based on the experience with the Agni, the medium range ballistic missile (MRBM), the MoD is pressing for the creation of an ICBM.

The ICBM would probably be a three-stage ballistic missile with solid fuel rockets in the first and second stages, and a liquid propellant rocket in the third stage. The launch weight of the missile may reach 270-275 tonnes and an impact error of around 2 to 2.8 km, the sources said.


The missile may have a 2,490-3,490 kg releasable front section with two to three warheads of 15-20 kilotons each, the sources added.

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There are plans to use the second stage propellant engine of the Vikas booster rocket during the development of this missile to increase its flight range. The ICBM is likely to be test-fired by 2008 and is expected to be added to the Indian armed forces’ deterrence arsenal by 2015.

The Indian armed forces currently possess 12 ground-based Prithvi medium-range missile launchers with conventional warheads and a flight range of 150-250 km with installation capabilities of single warheads with a yield of 10-15 kilotons.

The same launchers could be used for the launch of ICBMs, the sources added. These launchers are part of the 333-rd missile regiment, based near Hyderabad. The ICBMs developed by other countries use a ballistic trajectory involving a significant ascent and descent, including sub-orbital flight.

ICBMs are differentiated by maximum range from other ballistic missiles like intermediate-range ballistic missiles (IRBMs), short-range ballistic missiles, and the newly named theatre ballistic missiles.

Developed countries like Russia, the United States, France, the UK, and China currently have operational ICBM systems.

While Agni is a two-stage solid fuel ballistic missile capable of delivering a 10-15 kiloton nuclear warhead up to 2,500 km, the ICBM will be a three-stage solid and liquid ballistic missile, the sources said.

They also pointed out that there would be no monetary constraint for the project since many of the systems for the ICBM are similar to the current Agni missile which has already shown success and are being developed.



MAIN FEATURES OF THE ICBM

Range 9,000-12,000 km

launch weight 270-275 tons

Impact error 2 to 2.8 km

Releasable front 2,490-3,490 kg

Warheads 2 to 3 of 15-20 kilotons


http://deccanherald.com/deccanherald...2552005824.asp

Why India need an ICBM with 12000 km ??!!!
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Old 25th August 2005, 04:40
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That's a big ass missile for only 3 20kt warheads.
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Old 25th August 2005, 04:47
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That's a big ass missile for only 3 20kt warheads.
It must be a mistake as it was mentioned, "Releasable front 2,490-3,490 kg . It should be three 200 kt warheads.

It would be Agni-IV as mentioned in BR Agni page. Agni-III according to BR capable of delivering three warheads. Its design also different from current Agni-I & Agni-II.
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Old 25th August 2005, 05:08
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Vikas engine

Vikas engine : ISRO tested (November 30, 2001) an up-rated version of the liquid propellant Vikas engine at ISRO's Liquid Propulsion Test Facilities at Mahendragiri in Tamilnadu. The Vikas engines are employed in the second stage of India's Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) as well as the second and the four strap-on stages of Geo-synchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV). Source ISRO

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The missile may have a 2,490-3,490 kg releasable front section with two to three warheads of 15-20 kilotons each, the sources added.

The launch weight of the missile may reach 270-275 tonnes and an impact error of around 2 to 2.8 km, the sources said.

The Indian armed forces currently possess 12 ground-based Prithvi medium-range missile launchers with conventional warheads and a flight range of 150-250 km with installation capabilities of single warheads with a yield of 10-15 kilotons.

The same launchers could be used for the launch of ICBMs, the sources added. These launchers are part of the 333-rd missile regiment, based near Hyderabad. The ICBMs developed by other countries use a ballistic trajectory involving a significant ascent and descent, including sub-orbital flight.


Man!!!!this Madhuprasad guy is high on hash!!DDM pasted all over his article.
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Old 25th August 2005, 05:54
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unadulterated 101% high grade peshwari opium I am afraid.

a monster 275 ton projectile is totally incapable of mobility which is a must if u are playing the ICBM game. 275 ton is like fitting a MIRV on a PSLV the Topol-M is around 47 tons...most ICBMs in that range.

secondly a 2km CEP for 200KT small warheads is useless even considered we do counter-value(city) targeting and not counter-force.

the MoD official was taking out his rear end. I am sure India will eventually develop a longer range around 7000km missile but
(a) no official decision yet to target EU and US our biggest eco & tech partners, as of
now all developments are china specific.
(b) it has to be 3 stage but obviously < 40 tons to be road mobile
(c) the prithvi launcher would be heap of crumpled metal if u dropped a 275ton
rock on its back! has to be based on russian MAZ 6x6 or 8x8 TEL technology.

first lets test and get agni-3 into service before talking big.

> Mod is pressing for...

hilarious. these clowns are the biggest saboteurs of any defence plan. only
things they press for is bribes, black label whisky and trips to paris / vegas.

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Old 25th August 2005, 06:09
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This report is full of mistake. This dude, Madhuprasad don not know the basics about missile tech.

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SURYA - 1 & 2 : INDIA's ICBM's


Surya-1/2


Country: India
Class: ICBM
Basing: Surface based
Length: 40.00 m
Launch Weight: 80 kg
Propulsion: First/second stage solid, third liquid
Range: 8,000, 12,000 km
Status: Development
In Service: Exp. 2008


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The Surya is an intercontinental-range, surface-based, solid- and liquid-propellant ballistic missile. Currently in development, the missile is based on the civil space launch technologies of the PSLV/GSLV programs. Once completed, it will be India’s first ICBM.

A strategic weapon, the Surya will extend India’s nuclear deterrent to targets deep within China. At present, Indian missiles can only hit a limited number of Chinese targets, even after the completion of the Agni-3. However, the development of a true ICBM such as the Surya will make almost any strategic target within China vulnerable, and decrease India’s relative weakness. In this manner, the Surya will provide India with a strong deterrent against future Chinese aggression.

At present, India is developing two variants, the Surya-1 and the Surya-2. The Surya-1 is reported to be 40 m long and weigh 80,000 kg. It is expected to have a range of 8,000 km (4,971 miles). The missile is believed to use a three-stage design, with one liquid-propellant and two solid-propellant stages. As the Surya-1 has yet to be developed, its payload and warhead are currently unknown. The Surya-2 will have a longer range of 12,000 km (7,456 miles), which will most likely be accomplished by decreasing its payload.

The first test flight of the Surya-1 is expected in 2005 and the missile is expected to enter service in 2008

http://www.missilethreat.com/missile...d-2_india.html



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IMO the Surya will be a PSLV or ASLV with a re-entry system :

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Smile India ready to test new cryogenic upper-stage engine

India ready to test new cryogenic upper-stage engine

Preparations are under way for the first ground test of the Indian-designed restartable cryogenic upper-stage engine for the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV), writes Radhakrishna Rao.

The indigenous liquid-oxygen/liquid-hydrogen engine will increase the payload of the GSLV from 2,000kg (4,400lb) to 2,500kg to geosynchronous transfer orbit.

The cryogenic engine, which has logged more than 7,000s of accumulated rig test time, will replace the Russian-supplied upper stage of the 414t, three-stage GSLV.

Integration of the Indian engine with the GSLV is under way and a successful ground test will be followed by a flight of the vehicle, says B N Suresh, director of the Indian Space Research Organisation’s Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre.


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The news is periodic. While monthly periods are reserved for the female gender, Deccan herald is suffering annual periods.
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India doesn't need ICBMs to hit China. Convenient excuse to hide higher and further aspirations.
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> India doesn't need ICBMs to hit China

the distance from southern india to harbin & shenyang is not less than 7000km.
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> India doesn't need ICBMs to hit China

the distance from southern india to harbin & shenyang is not less than 7000km.
Interesting that Chinese medium range missiles can do the same job on India.
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because they are deployed in tibet and yunnan, barely 500km away from indian heartland.

what does indian get by nuking lhasa or kunming - zero countervalue. PRC would be most glad to trade these two for delhi and mumbai in a limited exchange. the top30 targets in china are strung out along the coast or near the coast...with some noteable exceptions like xian and chengdu.

for counter value targeting and because PRC has 4X the number of warheads and lots more missiles it is necessary to reliably bring within range all the top30-50 cities for mobile survivable assets like x-country TELs and naval assets.

MAD must be ensured to keep the peace.
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Whats the distance beteen Indra point to northern tip of Heilongjian?
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First there was Valiant. Then there was Surya. Now this. I'll believe it when I see it.

India's first ICBM aspirations goes back to the 60s.
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I have added Prithivi missile launch video in Triotex Video gallery
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