STOVL Aircrafts

[dan_pub]

Anyone can figure out how come Hitler did not personally sponsor this one?

Der fliegende Übermensch !!

[Lava]

Originally Posted by dan_pub

Anyone can figure out how come Hitler did not personally sponsor this one?
Der fliegende Übermensch !!

lol... Imagine Hitler tied to that thing!

[Lava]

Ok another Russian VTOL Concept design

Kamov"HOOP"

[Lava]

Another Soviet Design but dunno what was the name

[Lava]

Ok one of the most queer & intresting Soviet amphibian VTOL concept(said to be an I talian Designer's Brainchild)
Beriev VVA-14

[Lava]

Alas..... this shouldnt have happened to it

[Lava]

JSF

[Lava]

More of WA-14

[Lava]

The above pic belong to site
http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/bartini/vva/vva_e.htm

[Lava]

Hey isnt a cool concept!

[dan_pub]

Originally Posted by Lava

Ok one of the most queer & intresting Soviet amphibian VTOL concept(said to be an I talian Designer's Brainchild)
Beriev VVA-14

I suspect you are getting confused by all the acronyms. The Bartini-Beriev VVA-14 is an ekranoplane, that is a a "wing-in-ground-effect" machine. It is NOT a VTOL at all.

It is not even a real airplane, btw: It just is not designed to fly within ground effect, ie not very high. (no more than 30-50 metres IIRC)

It takes off like any flying boat, by speeding up along the water surface.

[Lava]

Originally Posted by dan_pub

Der fliegende Übermensch !!

Hi Sorry for not being good reader!
I tried tranlation it turned out to be holocaust flying fish superman !! :eek

[Lava]

Originally Posted by dan_pub

I suspect you are getting confused by all the acronyms. The Bartini-Beriev VVA-14 is an ekranoplane, that is a a "wing-in-ground-effect" machine. It is NOT a VTOL at all.

It is not even a real airplane, btw: It just is not designed to fly within ground effect, ie not very high. (no more than 30-50 metres IIRC)

It takes off like any flying boat, by speeding up along the water surface.

I am sorry I didnt research this on other sites actually I read this info

This Soviet VTOL amphibian was the brainchild of the Italian immigrant Roberto Bartini. The Beriev OKB handled detailed design and construction. First conventional take off took place on 4 September 1972. Later the three prototypes were converted to Ekranoplans. The third prototype seen here without wings and engines was damaged by fire.

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contri...absev/1994.htm

Sorry for goof Up!!

[Lava]

Ok for dan_pub more french projects



One of the "Proposed" french model


another


Does any body have image of Dassault Cavalier ???

[Lava]

Hawker Siddeley V/STOL Airliner



www.vstol.org

[Lava]

Hmm..Intresting...to know that even Sweeden was trying to develop a VTOL plane It is said that "1400-series The entire 1400-series were projects, where the aircraft would have started vertically, (VTOL). One of the projects looked like Hawker-Siddeley P1127 (later renamed Harrier)."
Doe any one has picture of any of these planes ???

PS: I know my wishlist is becoming bigger & bigger but

[frankvw]

The wood / metal model is from a Nord aviation small VTOL. I can't remember the name yet. It got cancelled because of a lack of stability...

[Lava]

Originally Posted by frankvw

The wood / metal model is from a Nord aviation small VTOL. I can't remember the name yet. It got cancelled because of a lack of stability...

frankvw you are right this french project was named as Nord 500.

[dan_pub]

Originally Posted by Lava

Another Soviet Design but dunno what was the name

It is a Kamov Ka-22 "VINTOKRYL", NATO code "Hoop".

More info on it and good pics at
http://www.bearcraft-online.com/muse...eum.htm?mid=31

[Lava]

Cool Info dan_pub !!
But then which aircraft is this one I thought that it was the hoop



This picture is from same site which dan_Pub Posted

[dan_pub]

Originally Posted by frankvw

The wood / metal model is from a Nord aviation small VTOL. I can't remember the name yet.

Yessir! Nord-Aviation SCAN-500 Cadet.

[Lava]

Dan_Pub any pic/ info of Dassault Cavalier and SAAB 1400 series of VTOL crafts?

[dan_pub]

Originally Posted by Lava

Note that this one was only "proposed" as well. This is a picture is a fake including a small scale model to illustrate an article. It was never built.

Does any body have image of Dassault Cavalier ???

I do not have a picture, but this was not a VTOL plane. It was a conventional CTOL trainer project, never built. The Bréguet 121 project was selected instead (and eventually became the sepecat Jaguar E/T).

[Lava]

Originally Posted by dan_pub

Note that this one was only "proposed" as well. This is a picture is a fake including a small scale model to illustrate an article. It was never built.

I do not have a picture, but this was not a VTOL plane. It was a conventional CTOL trainer project, never built. The Bréguet 121 project was selected instead (and eventually became the sepecat Jaguar E/T).

Hmmm.... couldnt make out that was fake!!

Regrding Dassault Cavalier its a VTOL plane I myself was googling once u said that to confirm and I found out this intresting PDF DOC http://www.vstol.org/FrenchVSTOLjets.pdf

In this Doc they not only have said that its a VTOL but also has a nice photo(looks like a harrier to me!!)
Thanks

[Lava]

Springtail EFV-4A

[Flanker_man]

Originally Posted by dan_pub

I suspect you are getting confused by all the acronyms. The Bartini-Beriev VVA-14 is an ekranoplane, that is a a "wing-in-ground-effect" machine. It is NOT a VTOL at all.

It is not even a real airplane, btw: It just is not designed to fly within ground effect, ie not very high. (no more than 30-50 metres IIRC)

It takes off like any flying boat, by speeding up along the water surface.

Actually Dan - it WAS a VTOL design - at least the original was.

It was designed as a VTOL ASW aircraft - that could takeoff & land on any surface - snow, ice, water & land.

It was supposed to have had a bank of 12 lift engines for VTOL - and inflatable floats.

The lift engines were never fitted - and with the floats inflated, it could not take off conventionally from water like a flying boat. With the floats deflated, it did fly successfully from land however. And it could fly 'normally' as a conventional a/c - at altitude - as can be seen in one of the photos.

It was then 'converted' to make it an ekranoplan - the fuselage was lengthened, two more jet engines were added either side of the cockpit - to stuff air under the wings - and the inflatable floats were removed - leaving just the 'solid' pontoons.

It was never a success as an ekranoplan either - and that's how it is now in the photo of the wreck at Monino.

You can see the differences in the B&W photos - the later configuration with the engines on the nose is the ekranoplan, the earlier, short-fuselage version is the VTOL (but without the lift engines).

It had two different designations - but my refs are at home, and I can't remember what they were.

BTW - the designer, Roberto Bartini was an Italian emigre who had some fascinating, very advanced designs.

One of his more successful ones was the Yermalayev Yer-2 bomber of WWII.

Ken

Well - you did ask !!!

[Deino]

Originally Posted by SteveO

This is a good site for those interested in STOVL
International V/STOL Historical Society http://www.vstol.org/

Yes I know that link ... but does anyone know why it hasn’t been updated for so long ???

Esp. the V/STOL Encyclopedia Series (http://www.vstol.org/encyclopedia.htm) “ended” early 2003 !

Deino

[Flanker_man]

Originally Posted by Flanker_man

It had two different designations - but my refs are at home, and I can't remember what they were.

'ere ya go ..............

The VTOL ASW version was the VVA-14 (Verikalno Vzletayuschaya Amfibiya - vertical take-off amphibious aircraft).

The number 14 referred to the number of engines - 12 lift plus two flight engines.

The Ekranoplan version was designated 14M1P. It had four engines - the original two flight engines - plus the two on either side of the nose to provide the intial cushion.

Ken

[Lava]

Flanker_Man Thanks for nice info and for the confirmation!

But u see its not mine or dan's fault that we took it to be a pure erkanoplane cause from several sites I googled for this plane I found only one site hinting that it was intended to be VTOL initially. 99% of those sites mentioned it as Ekranoplane

does anybody know of more built/unbuilt VTOL projects from Russia which I couldnt!?

[Flogger]

Originally Posted by Lava

More of WA-14

This is really a beautiful aircraft