Pakistan to buy missiles from Ukraine

[phrozenflame]

http://www.hindu.com/2004/11/09/stor...0907621200.htm

MOSCOW, NOV. 8. Pakistan may buy a large consignment of airborne missiles from Ukraine, a Ukrainian defence industry official was quoted as saying.

The head of a missile-building factory in Ukraine said that his company was about to sign a major contract with Pakistan.

The deal "will keep the factory busy for several years," the Itar-Tass news agency quoted Mr. Alexander Kachura, president of the Artyom state holding company, as saying, during a visit to the factory of the Ukrainian Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovich, last week.

Artyom is a leading manufacturer of air-to-air guided missiles for MiG and Sukhoi aircraft in the former Soviet Union.

what type of missiles, air to air or air to ground or a combination of them? how will they intgrate them onto their airplanes? with a collection of french, american and chinese(based on russian) how will the ukrainian weapons fit onto the jets and be compatible with the radar and weapons computer? intersting stuff indeed.

[mavaustin]

Pakistan has been looking into Chinese and Ukranian AWACS killer since 2002. Ukrain has also come up with some BVR missile based on AA-12 but longer range. This is all based on rumors so don't quote me on that. Pakistan could be looking into both systems and might be a big deal about to be signed.

[Indian1973]

that would mean the south african darter++ developments and the SD-10 are not hopeful.

why waste $$ when these two 'better' streams of products are available. ukraine is not marketing any aam on the market to my knowledge.

[mavaustin]

i wouldnt assume the otherwise, atleast not yet.... PAF is planning to have at least 3 different BVRs to my knowledge so if one's tech is compromised in war you have at least 2 to fall back on.

same was said about al-khalid when T-84s were bought.

[Jai]

IIRC a batch of 1000+ R-27 (multiple variants ) were transferred from Ukraine to China during the nineties. In addition this article also mentions that the company Artem ( Artyom ) was also involved in missile related deals with India.

DEFENSE HOLDINGS A LA UKRAINE

The produce of another state-run holding company - Artem - is known internationally. Practically all combat aircraft which Russia exports to China, India, and Malaysia are armed with Artem guided air-to-air missiles. The Ukrainian media reported that Artem has started making air-to-air missiles for Sukhoi 30MKI fighters under a contract with India, signed in May. Observers estimate the contract at $ 70M - 90M. The Artem managers haven’t confirmed this information.

For example, at the Le Bourget-2003 salon, Russian designers presented a number of novelties just about to be offered for sale. The missiles PBB-AB, X-29TE, and P-73E, designed by Russia’s Vympel, give a clear sign that Russian factories will soon be able to arm all exported aircraft with their own missiles. Who will Artem sell its missiles to then?

Thirdly, bankers maintain that it is difficult for vertically integrated state-run holdings to obtain credits and investments. According to a source with the bank Khreshchatyk (which, according to media reports, granted Artem a UAH 25M [$4.7M] low-interest credit for the contract with India), the main problem is that “enterprises in this branch are state-owned and enjoy a moratorium on property alienation, and their mortgaged products have a limited market turnover”.

[star49]

Originally Posted by Indian1973

that would mean the south african darter++ developments and the SD-10 are not hopeful.

why waste $$ when these two 'better' streams of products are available. ukraine is not marketing any aam on the market to my knowledge.

Ukranina missile is most likely be AA-10EP. It is longer range and twice heavier missile as compared to darter and SD-10. So they are not in the same category.

[dionis]

Can't the Russians make their own AA-9/10/11 ?

[Nitin_V]

Originally Posted by star49

Ukranina missile is most likely be AA-10EP. It is longer range and twice heavier missile as compared to darter and SD-10. So they are not in the same category.

Here we go again....

[Tiger_01]

Here you go again.

The EP is discussed on various forums. The variables (range and size) are also discussed. So what is wrong with the post?

[Indian1973]

which design bureau in Ukraine is working the AA-10 ?

web searches indicate the makers of AA-10 as OKB-4, Bishnovat
and Molniya. another search indicate Bishnovat and Molniya were
formerly part of OKB-4 and that OKB-4 is located in Tushino, someplace near Moscow.

per the link below Molniya design bureau is in Moscow
http://tech-db.istc.ru/ISTC/sc.nsf/h...and&Num=14.144

Pls post some details on who in Ukraine is developing
its own stream of AA-10 derivatives.

[PiBu]

AA-9 = R-33 designed by Vympel (= OKB-134 = Toropov) of Moscow, serially manufactured by DMZ of Dolgoprudnyi and TMZ of Moscow.

AA-10 = R-27 designed by Vympel of Moscow, manufactured by Artem, Kiev, Ukraine.

AA-11 = R-73 designed by Vympel (work started at Molniya (= OKB-4 = Bisnovat) of Moscow). Serially manufactured by Duks in Moscow and in Tbilisi, Georgia.

[Indian1973]

hmmm...so it must be the Artem.

http://www.nti.org/db/nisprofs/ukraine/excon/fesko.html

There is also a large number of enterprises in Ukraine involved in the production of numerous dual-use materials and goods: the Kommunar Production Association in Kharkiv manufactures missile and space guidance equipment; the Novokramatorsk Machine Building Plant, materials for use in space programs; the Arsenal Plant in Kiev, precise measuring devices for missile guidance systems; the Artem Production Association, also in Kiev, air-to-air missiles and missile components; the Kiev Instrumental Production Association, tools for space vehicles; the Kiev Radio Plant, missile control systems; the Kinescope Production Association in Lviv, components for aircraft and missile control systems; and the Prydniprovkskyy Chemical Plant in Dniprodzerzhynsk, zirconium, hafnium, heavy water, ion exchange resin, and uranium oxide. Other production facilities make explosives, which, upon alteration, may be used in a nuclear explosive device, lasers and related equipment, spectrometers, vacuum pumps, and neutron generator systems

[Indian1973]

and here's I think a good resource on this industrial group..
..very wide product matrix.

http://kmda.finport.net/en/holding.html

State stock holding company “Artem” produces:

1. Aviation guided missile of “air-air” class, series R-27;
2. Automated complexes “Gurt” and others for preparation and technical servicing of all types of guided missiles with radio-locating, infrared, laser, television and other guidance systems;
3. Starting device for fastening, transportation and starting missiles;
4. Beam-holder for transportation and throwing bombs, containers, fuel-tank for all kinds of aviation flying machines;
5. Locks for brake parachutes for super-high-speed airplanes;
6. Automatic machine for creating protection for airplanes and helicopters from missile hits;
7. Aviation electrical mechanisms, electrical engines of continuous current, guiding devices;


8. Electromagnetic contactor with current from 10 to 1000 A, tension 27 V;
9. Electric vacuum cleaners “Artem” and “Super” with power up to 1200 Wt. Vacuum cleaners “Artem” have removable trash packets.
10. Wheelchairs for transferring people with lost function of locomotor apparatus inside buildings and on roads with hard surface. Model row consists of consumer, weighting and active type wheelchairs. A wheelchair with electric engine is developed; starting its production is planned on the 4 th quarter of 2001.
11. Welding semi-automatic machine with work power 220 and 380 V. In the semi-automatic machine complex there is feeder, control panel, lighter, and gas equipment.
12. Auto-tractor electric equipment: weight switch, turn sign, and etc.
13. Cell of zone decompression KZDM-AK-4, designed for conducting physical and therapeutic procedures through pulsatory detachable pressure feed together with magnetic field into area of small basin, as well as high and low ends, which provides growth of the level of exchange processes in body, normalizes albuminous and electronic balance, gemodynamic figures, helps liquidating hotbed of disease, prevents new formation.
14. Joinery: kitchens, doors of different form, chairs and other furniture. Window bars. Handrail for stairs and balconies. Wardrobes for work clothes. Doors, gates, fences.
15. Windshield wipers for trolleybuses.
16. Various compressor sanitary engineering pads from rubber and plastic.
17. Trade and storage equipment.
18. Turnstile, barriers.
19. Garbage containers. Container can be set in a city zone: on passenger sidewalk, in underground passages, in shops, on the territory of parks and squares, on stops of public transport, in airports and railway and bus stations.
20. Traffic light components of new construction.
21. Lawn-mower with gasoline engine “Druzhba-4”.
22. Bread forms for bread factories.
23. Various founding and forged products.



Finport Technologies

[Indian1973]

so who retains the IP on the AA-10 missile today ? does Russia get some licensing fees from Ukraine or Ukraine has gone its own way and no longer uses any Russia based facility for AA-10 development?

[PiBu]

Here is nice shot: North Korean delegation investigating R-27 missiles displayed at Artem's stand during recent Aviasvit exhibition (September 2004) in Kiev

[Nitin_V]

Originally Posted by Tiger_01

Here you go again.

The EP is discussed on various forums. The variables (range and size) are also discussed. So what is wrong with the post?

Its commonly known as "counting the chickens before they are hatched"! Something which we see a lot of. But dont mind me, carry on then!