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Russia finishes delivering S-300PMU1s to China

Date Posted: 16-Aug-2004


JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - AUGUST 18, 2004

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Russia delivers air defence systems to China
JIANG JINTAO JDW Correspondent
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Additional reporting JIM O'HALLORAN Editor; Jane's Land-based Air Defence

Russian State arms export corporation Rosoboronexport and the Almaz/Antey Concern of Air Defence have delivered four S-300PMU1 air batteries to China.

The prime contractor of the deal, signed in early 2003, was the Academician Raspletin Almaz Research and Production Association, the primary contractor/developer of the S-300PMU1.

According to a Russian defence industry official, the last ship carrying the components of the S-300PMU1 system arrived in China from Vladivostok early in August.

Each of the four missile battalions has: a 30N6E1 illumination and guidance radar; an F5MU antenna post; an F52MU equipment container; a GAZ-66T survey vehicle; and 12 four-tube 5P85SE launchers.

The overall organisation, control and information for the four battalions will be undertaken by the 83M6E command and control system composed of: a 54K6E combat control post; a 64N6E surveillance radar; a 1T12-2M survey vehicle; common spare parts kits in semi-trailers; and a PED-1E operational documentation storage trailer.

The S-300PMU1 engages aerodynamic targets at ranges up to 150km and tactical and semi-strategic ballistic targets with radar cross-section up to 0.02m2 at ranges of 40km with a maximum altitude of 25,000m. The maximum velocity of engaged targets is 2,800m/s.

The S-300PMU1 is the export version of the S-300 long-range SAM system that has been in Russian service since 1992. Other export versions of the system have previously been sold to former Eastern Bloc countries, China and Cyprus, although the latter systems were delivered to Greece. Vietnam is the latest country to sign a formal agreement for the system, with deliveries expected later in the decade.

See 'Russian battle group to deliver S-300s to Cyprus' (JDW 22 July 1998)

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does PRC have S300 systems from earlier than this order ?
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Yes, but I forget which ones.
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According to globalsecurity;

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China purchased four to six S-300PMU batteries (48 to 72 missiles) in 1991 and purchased an additional 120 missiles in 1994
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are these missile complexes fool proof ??? can these systems be spoofed with decoys ???
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Can Russia provide codes to defeat these missle complexes in times of conflict (to either the US or India)?
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Can Russia provide codes to defeat these missle complexes in times of conflict (to either the US or India)?
No need to; the Israelis have purportedly developed a decoy for countering the S-300.
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hey google... do you have some info about this decoy developed by israel ??
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I got this from CDF Su-30 thread where it is stating S-300PMU-2 version

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The relatively high share of air defense systems is attributed to the delivery of an unknown number of S-300 PMU-2 air defense missile systems to China (most likely two systems, valued at up to $200 million). Besides, shipborne air defense systems to be installed on destroyers were also supplied to China. There is known to be a contract for two Rif marine air defense systems, which are likely to be installed on Project 052C low-visibility destroyers (hull numbers 170 and 171). Moreover, pictures of missiles for Shtil systems being loaded on destroyers of the previous 052B Project (hull numbers 168 and 169) have been posted on the Internet
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Can Russia provide codes to defeat these missle complexes in times of conflict (to either the US or India)?
It is like saying Can Russia provide the codes to defeat BARS, R-77,R-73 Brahmos. Ofcourse it depends which side can put up more money.
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No need to; the Israelis have purportedly developed a decoy for countering the S-300.
Not that it will make any sort of difference in combat. Against an S-300P/PM/PMU, maybe. Against an S-300PMU-1/2, no.
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hey google... do you have some info about this decoy developed by israel ??
Give me some time to look for it.
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hey google.... why did you delete your post ????
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Because I noticed that these JDW posts are getting posted on other websites, which will most likely get me in trouble.
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@google: i understand...

it must be the worst nightmare of an S-300 commander that his costly missiles get wasted on a decoy...
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That's why his government buys him an upgrade to S-300PMU-1 status
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No need to decoy a PMU300, just kill it outright with one of the new generation of stealthy attack missiles like AGM-158 or Storm Shadow/Scalp-EG. Those missiles were built with PMU300 in mind. They are stealthy enough and fast enough to get inside the PMU300's minimum intercept range before any ID/firing solution is generated.
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Saw this at several forums:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/storie...08/20/042.html

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Report: $900M Arms Deal Is Close
By Lyuba Pronina
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Vladimir Gerdo / For MT

The Chinese military already uses the S-300 air defense system and reportedly is about to buy up to eight more batteries.


China, the country's No. 1 arms customer, is close to signing a contract for air defense systems worth as much as $900 million, Vedomosti reported Thursday, citing sources familiar with the deal.

State arms dealer Rosoboronexport and the Chinese Defense Ministry initialed a contract for the delivery of between four and eight batteries of S-300PMU air defense systems a few weeks ago, Vedomosti reported.

The contract will be signed by the end of the year, one source told the paper.

The manufacturer of the S-300 system, Almaz-Antei Air Defense Concern, refused to comment Thursday, as did Rosoboronexport.

Domestic arms producers and exporters are particularly tight-lipped about deals with China following a bilateral agreement that makes military and technical cooperation classified information.

With S-300 systems retailing for roughly over $100 million per battery, four to eight batteries would be worth $400 million to more than $800 million, said Konstantin Makiyenko, deputy head of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow.

China already has 12 batteries of S-300 systems, Makiyenko said. It acquired eight batteries in the 1990s. Earlier this year, Russia completed the delivery of four more batteries, Interfax reported.


"While the existing S-300 batteries cover the key administrative and industrial centers of Beijing and Shanghai, the new systems will cover areas that face Taiwan," Makiyenko said.

At the same time, China will continue purchasing Sukhoi fighter jets, he said. Last year China reportedly received 19 Su-30MKK fighters and is expected to receive 24 naval Su-30s on a contract from last year.

It has been reported that a new deal for a similar number of fighters is in the works and is expected to be finalized with China soon.

"I estimate that China will need a further 150 fighters, which they could either buy or manufacture under a Russian license," Makiyenko said.

Sukhoi fighter jets are the country's best selling arms product.

Some 150 Su-30s and 70 MiG-29s are likely to be exported by the end of 2010, Ruslan Pukhov, editor of the Moscow Defense Brief, said on Thursday.

Forty-eight Su-30s may be delivered to China, up to 24 to Vietnam, 24 to Indonesia, 24 to Brazil and 10 to India, he said, adding that MiGs would most likely be acquired by countries in Africa and the Middle East.
PMU-1 or 2???
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Because I noticed that these JDW posts are getting posted on other websites, which will most likely get me in trouble.
Shame on those thoughtless dicks! They could at least have the decency to just save the info and then quote some data extracts from it perhaps. We don't want to lose you Google, really we don't....
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I think one of the JASSM roles is going after S300/400 batteries.
They will likely be fired from F117/F22 type internal bay a/c.
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I think one of the JASSM roles is going after S300/400 batteries.
They will likely be fired from F117/F22 type internal bay a/c.
I wonder if the Tor-M1 can intercept the JASSM?
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probably a yes. A good short ranger like Tor will likely be co-located
with the S300 unit.
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