Vietnam shows interest in retired Polish corvettes

[Ja Worsley]

The first two of four Polish Gornik-class (Tarantul I) small corvettes, the ORP Gornik (434) and ORP Hutnik (435), were withdrawn from service in Polish Navy (MW RP) on 31 May 2005.

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Vietnam seems to be on a spending spree atm, and all of it in Poland.

[JonS]

what do you mean spending spree? i dont recall vietnam purchasing much beside why would they want those werent they license building molniya's?

[Ja Worsley]

You might want to read it again Jon, Trantul 1's.

And incase you hadn't heard they are also buying 40 Su-22M3/4's from Poland as well

[JonS]

Originally Posted by Ja Worsley

You might want to read it again Jon, Trantul 1's.

And incase you hadn't heard they are also buying 40 Su-22M3/4's from Poland as well

my point exactly those are tarantul's they are older class, they were replaced by molniya.
As for su-22m3 managed to find a earliar discussion on that
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=41799

[Ja Worsley]

they maybe old but they are newer than what Vietnam curerently has in service!

They are from 1983 and 1984, so they are not exactly ancient. Two more from 1988 and 1989 will no doubt be decommissioned in some years.

[Ja Worsley]

Wasn't Poland looking at getting new boats anyway?

[Wanshan]

Project 1241 = Molniya = Tarantul

sub-types:

Rocket Cutter (RKA, Raketnyy Kater)
project 1241R and 1241RE = Mołniya (NATO: Tarantul I, INDIA: VEER).
project 1241.1M and 1241.1ME = Mołniya (NATO:Tarantul II).
project 1241.1MP = Mołniya (NATO:Tarantul III).
project 1241.7 = Mołniya (NATO: Tarantul IV).

KGB Guardship (PSKR, Pogranichniy Storoshevoy Korabl' a.k.a. Border Patrol Ship)
project 1241.2 = Mołniya-2 (NATO: Pauk I).
project 1241P and 1241PE = Mołniya-2 (NATO: Pauk II).

project 1242.1 = Molniya-M (a.k.a. Molniya)
This missile boat is a further development of the original Molniya (Lightning) family boats, developed for export. It differs from its predecessors in that the outdated P-20 missile system [SS-N-2 Styx] has been replaced by the Moskit-E ( SS-N-22 Sunburn) missile system which fires supersonic antiship missiles, and that the new Garpun-Bal multirole radar system has been installed.

project 1241.8 / 1241.8E = Molniya-M (a.k.a. Molnya, India: modified Veer)
The missile boat of Project 1241.8 has been developed on the same basic platform as the Project 1242.1 boat. It differs from the predecessors by the missile armament only: it carries 16 Kh-35 [SSN-X-25 Switchblade] missiles of the Uran-E system instead of 4 missiles of the Moskit-E (SS-N-22 Sunburn) system.


Source

"In 1999 Russia delivered to Vietnam 2 missile boats “Tarantul-2” of project 1241RE. Also, in 1999 Severnoye Design Bureau finished developing the PS-500 missile ship (construction completed in 2001) and a corvette of project 2100 (construction of 10-14 units proposed). Under a contract from 2001, the Almaz shipbuilding company constructed two patrol boats “Svetlyak” of project 10412 for 40 mln USD. The ships were delivered at the end of 2002. According to a 2003 contract worth 120 mln USD, Russia will transfer to Vietnam 2 large missile boats “Molniya” of project 1241.8 and 8 more will be locally assembled under license using Russian components (Vietnamese designation Ho-A Class)."
source

PS-500 is based on the project 1241 hull and more stealthy compared to the original. Come to think of it, this may be the ship designated 1241T. It has 2x4 Uran.

[Canpark]

Originally Posted by Ja Worsley

they maybe old but they are newer than what Vietnam curerently has in service!

True, but if Vietnam purchase the Polish Tarantuls then VPN would have a total of 8 Tarantul I/IIs, operating along side 12 BPS-500s.

Here's a picture of one of the first BPS-500 class FAC "HQ-381" entered service in 2004?

[Canpark]

Can someone identify this missile?

[Wanshan]

Assuming it is launcher by the TEL in the background, I would say SSC-1A 'Shaddock' / SSC-1B 'Sepal'



Type: Land-attack/coastal defense missile
Soviet designation: ?/Redut, 4K44 Utes
Missile designation: FKR-2, P-5S Pityorka/P-35, P-35B, 3M44 Progress
Designer: Chelomey
Lenght: 11.75/10.2 m
Diameter: 0.975 m
Span: 2.6 m
Weight: 4,500 kg
Range: 745/25-460 km
Speed: Mach 1.4
Propulsion: Two solid-propellant rocket boosters + KRD-26 turbojet sustainer
Guidance: Inertial/command + active radar terminal homing
Warhead: 513 kg HE or 350 kT nuclear (only nuclear for A)
Operational: Entered service in ?/1966

Launch site equipment: Three launch vehicles/Three SPU-35B launch vehicles, 4R45 Skala radar vehicle

Launch Vehicle
Designation: ZIL-135K (BAZ-135MB)
Length: 13.5 (11.5) m
Width: 2.86 (2.8) m
Height: 3.53 (3.0) m
Weight: 21,000 (18,000) kg
Road Speed: 40 km/h
Road Radius: 500 km
Engine: Two 180 hp ZiL-375Ya diesel/300 hp YaMZ-238N diesel

The development of the SSC-1A began in 1954. The SSC-1B was developed in the early 1960s with the first test firing in September 1963. The P-5S (SSC-1A) is based on the submarine-launched P-5K (SS-N-3C) land-attack cruise missile whereas the SSC-1B is based on the ship-launched P-35 (SS-N-3B) anti-ship missile. The P-5S cruises at a high altitude whereas the cruise altitude of the P-35 can be set as 400, 4,000 or 7,000 meters. The P-35 is tracked in flight by radar and guidance commands are sent to the missile based on the radar image it transmits to the ground station via a video data link. In 1982 the improved P-35B (3M44) missile that can use targeting data from Tu-95RTs or Tu-16D aircraft or a Ka-25Ts helicopter was introduced.

Both missiles are transported in and launched from a long cylindrical container mounted on a ZIL-135K or a later BAZ-135MB 8x8 wheeled chassis. Crew consists of 5 men and time into action is about 30 minutes. Before launching four hydraulic stabilization jacks are lowered, the hemispherical end covers of the launch tube are removed to top-mounted tables and the container is elevated to an angle of 20 degrees. The P-5S version of the transporter-launcher vehicle can be distinguished by a longer driver's cab. A Redut (SSC-1B) brigade consists of three battalions, each with five to six batteries. In 1988 there were 6 Redut battalions in the Soviet Baltic Fleet, 3 battalions in the Northern Fleet, 5 battalions in the Black Sea Fleet and 5 battalions in the Pacific Fleet. The Redut system has been exported to Angola, Bulgaria, Syria and Yugoslavia.

The 4K44 Utes fixed system was developed on the basis of the Redut as a replacement for the fixed Sopka (SSC-2B) batteries. The first test launch was conducted in May 1971 and the system entered service in April 1973. The firing battery consists of MRSTs-1 Uspekh-U, 4R46 Mys radar with Parol IFF, command center and trainable twin tube launchers. Two Utes batteries were constructed: Object 100 near Sevastopol and Object 101 on the island of Kildin in the Kola peninsula. The latter has now been partially disbanded.

See also:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...sia/ss-n-3.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...ut/redut.shtml

[Meteorit]

Wanshan,

It would be nice if you gave the source of the text you posted - or even better just provided a link:

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/foxfour...ovmis-ssc.html

[Canpark]

Wanshan and Meteorit, thanks for the links.

[Wanshan]

Originally Posted by Meteorit

Wanshan,

It would be nice if you gave the source of the text you posted - or even better just provided a link:

http://personal.inet.fi/cool/foxfour...ovmis-ssc.html

Actually, I copied a post out of the LCIG forum on ACIG.org because I recognized the TEL as the one I had seen in pictures there. Is there a problem with that?

[Meteorit]

Originally Posted by Wanshan

Actually, I copied a post out of the LCIG forum on ACIG.org because I recognized the TEL as the one I had seen in pictures there. Is there a problem with that?

Where ever the text came from its copied word-to-word from my homepage. This is OK, but one should then at least provide a link to the original source.