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Name: Project-15A
Builder: Mazagaon Dock Limited
Displacement: 6800 ton
Cost: $ 900 million each

Weapons:

1 Arsenal A-190E main gun (?)
16 Brahmos VLS Anti-Ship missiles
48 BARAK-8 LR-SAM for primary air defence role
32 Barak-1 SAM for Anti-missile role
4 AK-630 as CIWS
2 Twin-tubes Torpedo launcher
2 RBU-6000 anti-submarine missiles


This is not a bad package but I feel shortcomings of the air defence at longer ranges and absence of an LACM. The should have gone for atleast 150 km range SAM.
On the CG, I can locate:
1 Arsenal A-190E main gun (?)
16 Brahmos VLS Anti-Ship missiles
32 Barak-1 SAM for Anti-missile role
4 AK-630 as CIWS
2 Twin-tubes Torpedo launcher
2 RBU-6000 anti-submarine missiles

But where are these: 48 BARAK-8 LR-SAM for primary air defence role?
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But where are these: 48 BARAK-8 LR-SAM for primary air defence role?
I think this is in development and thats the reason for its absence in that CG.
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I think this is in development and thats the reason for its absence in that CG.
I was under the impression Barak 8 would be compatible with Mk41 and/or Sylver launchers (i.e. no newly developed Israeli VLU). In which case, the image should include 2 Mk41 forward between the Barak and Brahmos launchers and another 2 in the forward portion of the rear superstructure/hanger aft of funnel.
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On the CG, I can locate:
1 Arsenal A-190E main gun (?)
16 Brahmos VLS Anti-Ship missiles
32 Barak-1 SAM for Anti-missile role
4 AK-630 as CIWS
2 Twin-tubes Torpedo launcher
2 RBU-6000 anti-submarine missiles

But where are these: 48 BARAK-8 LR-SAM for primary air defence role?
Just behind the main gun, there are 2 x 24 Barak-8 LR-SAM, after that 2 x 8 Brahmos VLS and near the helicopter deck there are 4 x 8 Barak-1.

INS Kochi launch video,

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/v...ow/5026410.cms

The ship looks very advanced and clean shaped.
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I was under the impression Barak 8 would be compatible with Mk41 and/or Sylver launchers (i.e. no newly developed Israeli VLU). In which case, the image should include 2 Mk41 forward between the Barak and Brahmos launchers and another 2 in the forward portion of the rear superstructure/hanger aft of funnel.
It could be that the Barak 8 was a later addition and the decision to include it made after the CGI.
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Admiral Arun Prakash: The Arihant In Perspective


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The following column, providing a robust and authentic account of India's ATV SSBN programme, the first by a former Navy Chief after the launch of the submarine in July, appears in FORCE Magazine
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Following close in the wake of India's nuclear submarine launch, former Navy Chief Sureesh Mehta's observations about the yawning gap between the militaries of China and India created a minor flutter in the media. But his candid admission revealed no secrets. In fact his remarks should serve to focus attention on the contrasting approaches of the two nations. We seem to have pinned all our hopes on high GDP growth triggering a Biblical “loaves and fish” miracle in India. The Chinese, on the other hand, adopting a multi-track approach, have ensured balanced growth of their nation by pursuing all constituents of Comprehensive National Power; economic, technological, diplomatic, social, cultural, and of course, military. It is in situations of asymmetry such as this, as Pakistan has repeatedly demonstrated to us, that a nuclear deterrent comes in handy if brandished noisily. Since that is not our style, let us at least dust off the cobwebs, mental and actual, and take stock of where our own nuclear deterrent stands after the launch of the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) on 26th July 2009.

Obsessive Secrecy?

The ATV project has been probably one of India's worst kept secrets. A Google search for “ATV Submarine“ would, on any day, would throw up between 100, 000 to 200, 000 results ranging from news snippets, blog discussions and Wikipedia articles to learned analyses on the Federation of American Scientists website. Every aspect of the project has been discussed threadbare in cyber-space by self-appointed experts, amateur security analysts and plain nuts; sprinkled with inputs from retired scientists and an occasional press release by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) and Naval HQ have been content to maintain stoic silence about the ATV in the face of this tell-tale evidence and using, as a last resort, the “neither confirm nor deny” line to fend off the inquisitive media. Perhaps there was a method in all this secrecy and we did manage to befuddle everyone who tried to garner the truth from the heap of disinformation and half-truths available in the public domain on the ATV.

But the trouble with excessive secrecy is that while it may or may not deceive the enemy, it can certainly obfuscate the truth and lead you to the wrong conclusions; often with deleterious consequences. Now that the submarine is out of the closet, we need to discuss some aspects of this project which has a vital bearing on national security.

Project Management Paradigm

India must be unique amongst nations that undertake major expenditure on defence R&D in that; both timelines and cost ceilings are infinitely flexible and neither accountability nor responsibility for delays, or even failure, are ever affixed. Subjective in-house “peer reviews” can never be a substitute for hardnosed audits and progress-checks by independent experts, as well as end-users. The dismal story of projects like the Kaveri turbo-jet engine, the Light Combat Aircraft, the Arjun battle tank and the Trishul surface-to-air missile could have been very different, had they not been wrapped in furtive secrecy and been subjected, instead, to periodic scrutiny and oversight.

Of all the DRDO projects, to date, perhaps it is only the ATV which has forged ahead steadily, and, even after allowing for time and cost overruns as well as other shortcoming, can be called an outstanding success story. While we will dwell on some of the issues later, it can be stated up-front that this major achievement is mainly attributable to three factors, which should provide salutary lessons for the other two Services. The high level of synergy and co-ordination attained by the IN, DRDO and Department of Atomic Energy (DAE).

The tremendous good sense displayed by DRDO in placing the Navy in the driving seat, resulting in the intimate participation of the end-user in the project. The sustained and non-invasive support provided by successive Secretaries of DRDO to the project.

Genesis and Growth

The IN had begun to examine the viability of indigenous design and construction of a nuclear submarine as far back as 1967, and the initiative gathered momentum soon after the 1974 “peaceful nuclear explosion”. By 1978 a small IN-DAE team had been located at BARC to undertake serious design and feasibility studies. This study obviously brought home the magnitude of the colossal challenge posed by this undertaking, and it was decided to approach the USSR for assistance.

A decade after signing the 1971 Treaty of Peace and Friendship, the Soviet Deputy Defence Minister Marshal Ogarkov made an unprecedented offer, to lease a nuclear powered submarine to India along with a training and maintenance package. In 1988 a Charlie I Class (Project 670) Soviet nuclear attack submarine (SSN) arrived in Indian waters on a 3-year lease. Renamed INS Chakra, this SSN carried neither the weapons nor the systems for a strategic role, and therefore served a limited purpose; that of providing experience to IN personnel in the operation, maintenance and deployment of a nuclear-propelled submarine.

Tagged on to the lease offer had been an option for acquiring Soviet “assistance for design and construction of a nuclear-powered submarine” at a later date. Sometimes in the mid-1980s, in a far-sighted initiative, the IN and the DRDO joined forces, to constitute the Advanced Technology Vessel Project as an R&D venture. Funded by DRDO, the project was headed by a three-star Director General and manned largely by naval personnel.

On completion of preliminary concept studies, realization began to dawn on the ATV group, of the immense complexity of most disciplines involved in this ambitious project. The heart of this 6000 ton nuclear-powered vessel would be miniature low-enriched uranium (LEU) fuelled pressurized light-water reactor (PWR) delivering about 90 megawatts (120,000 horsepower) of power to drive it at 25 knots.

Unlike civilian power reactors which operate at a steady state, a naval reactor has to respond instantly to repeated variations in power for ship maneuvering. Nuclear safety, radiation, shock, quieting, and operating performance requirements in addition to operation in close proximity to the crew dictate exceptionally high standards for design, manufacturing and quality assurance. Once on patrol, a submarine's reactor remains inaccessible for inspection or replacement throughout its core life -- unlike a typical commercial nuclear reactor which can be shut down for refueling or repairs as required.

For scientists used to designing shore-based natural uranium/heavy water reactors spread over a couple of football fields, miniaturizing reactor components to fit inside a 20x20 foot compartment, with the whole assembly weighing no more than 300-400 tons, posed an insurmountable obstacle. No less daunting were the challenges of submarine design, hull fabrication and underwater missile launch, to name just a few.

ATV Spin-offs

The promised Russian assistance, both material and intellectual did come; albeit in fits and starts which accounted for most of the programme delays, and at prices which escalated at a breathtaking rate. However, Indians being quick learners, our scientists, engineers and designers too, rapidly gained proficiency in many of the complex technologies involved in nuclear submarine construction. In this process, DAE scientists also succeeded in building and fuelling a small shore-based reactor in Kalpakkam, which now serves as a useful training aid for submarine crews. In addition, there are many areas in which the tremendously beneficial fall-out of the ATV project has gone un-noticed by the public. Firstly, a large number of private sector companies have not just participated but contributed most significantly to the project by mastering esoteric techniques and technologies, to design and fabricate major systems for the vessel. Secondly, the ATV HQ has spawned a huge indigenization process in which small and medium ancillary industries all over the country have participated to contribute sub-systems and components manufactured to high precision and reliability specifications. Lastly, DRDO and other defence laboratories have come up trumps in developing some excellent products like combat-management systems, sonars, and electronic warfare systems for the ATV. The launch of the first ATV, whose correct current designation is S-2 (she will become INS Arihant only on commissioning in due course) is no doubt a most significant milestone in every respect and marks a major step in India's quest for a ballistic missile armed submarine, known in US parlance as SSBN. However, in order to tread the thin line between skepticism and euphoria, and retain a balanced perspective, it is necessary to note the fact the S-2 is only the first step in a long journey, and it may be a year or more away from becoming an operational sea-going submarine.

More importantly, she may remain a “technology demonstrator” for a long time before attaining the status of a ballistic missile nuclear submarine or SSBN due to three major factors.

Stealth

The reasons why nations place a significant part of their nuclear arsenals on board SSBNs is because of their supposed undetectability. Once at its patrol depth of a few hundred meters in the murky ocean deep, the SSBN is considered safe from prying satellites and risk of attack, and poses a continuous, threat to the adversary with her battery of submarine launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs).

The only way to detect an SSBN, or any submarine for that matter, is through acoustics. The noise generated by a submarine's hull, reactor, machinery, propeller and even her crew, across the full spectrum of frequencies can be picked up by the adversary's listening devices mounted on ships, helicopters or submarines. Known as low-frequency recording and analysis or LOFAR devices, these sensors can detect submarine noise at tens of miles and pinpoint an SSBN within minutes. The Hollywood movie “Hunt for Red October” typified the deadly serious Cold War cat-and-mouse game played out between US and Soviet navies to locate and mark each other's SSBNs, using LOFAR as well as sonar; with the Soviets usually at a disadvantage because of their traditionally noisier submarine designs. In our case, the first crucial test of the Arihant's design will be the careful calibration of her underwater noise signature, which will determine her degree of invulnerability and suitability as a SLBM carrying platform. This may call for extensive trials involving minor adjustments or major design modifications - if not for S-2, certainly for her successors.

Reactor Design

For the submarine leg of the nuclear triad to have significance, there must be one or more fully armed SSBNs on continuous patrol, which could last for months. Before one SSBN returns home she must be relieved on patrol by another one. This obviously requires, not just, that there should be a certain minimum number of SSBNs available in one's inventory, but also that at least 2-3 of them should be operationally available at any given time.

The most crucial factor in SSBN availability is her refueling cycle. Refueling, or replacing the enriched uranium fuel rods, of a submarine reactor is a complex dockyard operation which may take a submarine out of circulation for anything from 18-24 months.

The life of a reactor core is decided, apart from enrichment level of uranium fuel rods, by its operating regime. Since a SSBN has to travel long distances to its patrol area at high speeds, the power demand is invariably high and rapidly consumes reactor life. Reactor technology has been steadily advancing since the USS Nautilus first went to sea in 1954. Today the US Navy has 25 different types of reactors running into the 9th generation of development, many of such sophistication that, they do not require refueling throughout their lifetimes. The nuclear reactor installed on the S-2, according to open source information, is understood to be based on first or second generation Soviet era technology with a short re-fuelling cycle. The implications are that either her patrol areas will have to remain close to base, or that her endurance on patrol would be limited, and of course that there would be long gaps between patrols when refueling is under way. The shortcomings of this reactor design, demand larger submarine numbers at huge expense.

Missile Range

It is more than likely that Jin class SSBNs of the PLA Navy are, today, targeting both New Delhi and San Francisco with their 8000 km Ju-Long missiles from patrol areas in the home waters of the South China Sea. The effectiveness of the SSBN as an instrument of deterrence is obviously related to the range as well as number of SLBMs carried by her. While the SSBN does have the asset of mobility, her patrol areas must be chosen with great care to ensure that a valuable strategic asset of this nature is not placed in harm's way. In this context, the shorter the range of her SLBM, the closer she must position herself to a hostile shore. In India's case, the basic requirement is to deter China from threatening us with her considerable nuclear arsenal. This can only be achieved with SLBMs of inter-continental (5000-8000 km) range which have the warhead yield to threaten China's cities and nuclear forces located deep inland. Such a missile would enable the SSBN to take up operational patrols in safe areas in the Bay of Bengal or even Arabian Sea. Missile range would also compensate, to an extent, for shortcomings in reactor design. The weapon slated for fitment on the S-2 is understood to be a SLBM whose range is currently limited to 700-1000 km. The successful underwater launch and flight trials of this missile (variously named by the media as Dhanush or K-15) is certainly a big feather in the DRDO's cap, but its limited range constitutes a handicap for S-2. Moreover, this achievement needs to be assessed against the background that the DRDO's 25 year old guided missile programme has yet to deliver an inter-continental ballistic missile.

At the same time ISRO, having obviously mastered the propellant technologies, routinely launches rockets which can achieve linear ranges of up to 10, 000 km. And yet the invisible firewall between the two organizations seems to prevent transfer of technology, even in national interest. While work on more advanced SLBMs is no doubt in progress, it has to be borne in mind that longer range missiles will have to be powered by propellant motors of larger length and diameter, and the resultant weapon is unlikely to fit within the hull of an Arihant class SSBN, in sufficient numbers (16-24).

After Arihant; What?

The launch of the S-2 is, no doubt, a most significant and encouraging demonstration of India's technological skills and managerial expertise. But much more than that, this vessel will provide a trials platform which will enable us to learn from our own experience, what no one is going to teach us; the arcane disciplines of SSBN operations and maintenance. The main beneficiaries of this experience will be two submarines which follow S-2. The S-3 and S-4 are planned to be built on the same baseline design as S-2, in order to consolidate shipbuilding expertise and industrial capabilities. They will therefore incorporate only those capability enhancements which can be accommodated within the same hull-form and supported by the same nuclear power-plant. Therefore it is the fourth submarine in this series the S-5, still a few years ahead, which should be an object of sharp focus for not just the IN but even more so, the DAE and DRDO. In a 50-60 year perspective, India should be looking at a standing force of 4-6 SSBNs; accompanied, if possible by a smaller force of nuclear attack submarines or SSNs. While we are well on the way to achieving mastery over many of the technologies involved, there are three key areas which would need special focus: The acquisition of propellant technology for producing underwater launched ballistic missiles of inter-continental range. The length and diameter of the missile will decide the dimensions of the SSBN. These SLBM's should preferably be capable of carrying 4-6 multiple independently-targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRV).

The indigenous design of a SSBN hull which will be able to accommodate a battery of 16-24 such SLBMs. The indigenous design of a nuclear propulsion plants of about 200 megawatt capacity, with a 6-8 years refueling cycle, to drive a SSBN of 10,000-12,000 tons at about 30 knots.

Having committed ourselves to fielding a credible deterrent in the form of a nuclear triad, we no longer have a choice but to go down this route at the earliest. This is one area where dependence on foreign sources, especially for hardware, must be minimised and autarchy aimed for. Once we acquire indigenous capability for design and production of naval reactors and LEU cores, as well as long range SLBMs, we would have achieved such autarchy.

Future Project Management

The PLA Navy sent its first (Han class) nuclear submarine to sea in 1974, and today the Chinese nuclear flotilla consists of 3-4 Xia and Jin class SSBNs as well as 5-6 Han and Shang class SSNs. Given that we are already 30 years behind China in this field, there is not a day to be lost in committing the necessary capital as well as human resources from the Navy, DAE and DRDO to commence design and development work.

This is going to be a complex, laborious and time consuming endeavour, and a period of even 10-15 years for attaining the capabilities listed above may be optimistic. So far, Russia has remained the main source of technology for us, but in the changing circumstances, we must not shy away from seeking advanced reactor technology from the US or France for our strategic programmes. There is no doubt that the DRDO-Navy synergy worked well during the developmental phase of the ATV. With the launch of S-2, this project now needs to transition rapidly and seamlessly from R&D mode to serial production mode. The time has therefore come to create a new management structure in which all the national capabilities created for the ATV (in the public as well as private sectors) can be brought under an umbrella corporation for serial production of nuclear submarines for the IN. Lifting the pall of secrecy will promote a better dialogue with operators and lead to design improvements.

Command & Control

The protracted trials period of S-2 should be used by the Navy to prepare itself to enter a new and uncharted era of SSBN operations, maintenance, and above all, nuclear safety. In this context, two important issues come instantly to mind.

From the time she sails out for a deterrent patrol, till her return to harbor, a SSBN will form part of the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) and remain under its direct operational control. However, for all other purposes, the submarine would be like any other naval unit. This duality of control, and the specific modalities of change of operational control (CHOP), would need to be meticulously worked out, ensuring failsafe communication between the Nuclear Command Authority (NCA), Chairman COSC, Commander SFC and Captain of the SSBN.

Nuclear weapon preparation/assembly on land has, so far, involved participation of SFC, DAE and DRDO personnel. SSBN operations will involve a new paradigm for India because the SLBMs carried on patrol would be fully assembled, and possibly containerized, nuclear weapons, ready for launch when required. The launch order, to be executed jointly by the Captain of the SSBN and his second-in-command, will need to be duly authorized through secure and authenticated means by the National Command Authority. In order to ensure instant launch when ordered, and to prevent unauthorized launch, a system of software permissive action links (PALs) will have to be devised, along with triple-redundant underwater communications. These are complex issues which require time and resources to resolve.
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On equal terms with the Chinese on the Pangong Lake
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Photos of the Pangong Tso, taken by me from an army helicopter. The Indian Army is now deploying 12-tonne Fast Interceptor Boats to patrol on more equal terms with Chinese troops on the lake.


Below those are photos of the 5-tonne Fast Interceptor Boats that GRSE, Kolkata is building for coastal police stations. India will now deploy 12-tonne versions of these boats, also built in GRSE, for patrolling the 5-km maritime Line of Actual Control


Below the boat photos, an aerial photo looking down at the Chang La pass, more than 17,000 feet high, over which the boats will have to be taken to the Pangong Tso. The helicopter, flying over the Chang La pass, is at an altitude of close to 19,000 feet.)







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Responsibilities on Indian Navy increased after 26/11: Verma

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Naval Chief Admiral Nirmal Kumar Verma today said that responsibilities of the Indian Navy has increased post 26/11 terror attacks and suggested to bring all coastal vigilance agencies "under a single security magnet".

Addressing a ceremonial parade at the Indian Navy's helicopter base INS Shikra, Verma said, "After last year's 26/11 incident, lots of developments took place and at the same time the responsibilities in terms of coastal security have increased. We should bring all agencies involved in the coastal vigilance like Marine Police and Customs under one security magnet and ensure effective co-ordination."

On his first visit to Mumbai after assuming office as the Navy Chief, Verma said, "Western Naval Command always had greater resposibilies ever since Navy's inception and it met all responsibilties."

"An exercise for Navy personnel was conducted in Western Naval Command recently and we have learnt several lessons in the exercise. More exercises should be conducted to enable us to keep pace with security challenges," he said.

He expressed optimism that if big responsibilties are given, the Navy will surely meet them.

"To strenghthen the Navy, more aircraft will be procured. With more equipment, we will find ourselves confident in facing most difficult of situation we may face at sea route," he said.*
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The Indian Navy just got more muscle for its already capable fleet, by inducting India’s second indigenously designed Delhi-class stealth destroyer INS Kochi. The destroyer, named after the South Indian coastal city of Kochi, was launched from Mazagaon Docks in Goa and christened by Navy Chief Admiral Nirmal Verma’s wife Madhulika Verma.


The 6500-tonne warship was the second destroyer developed under the Rs. 8459 crore ( ~ $1.75 billion ) ’Project 15-A’ under which three guided-missile destroyers with stealth and a multi-role features will be built. Under this same project, Mazagaon docks had earlier launched the INS Kolkata back in 2006. The Kolkata series is the stealth version of the Delhi-class destroyers.

According to the Navy spokesperson, INS Kochi will have advanced stealth features that will make it less detectable on enemy radar and will have a state-of-the-art weapon system which includes the Indo-Russian ‘BrahMos’ surface-to-surface supersonic cruise missiles. It will also be armed with Israeli ‘Barak’ Long Range SAMs and ‘MFStar’ multi-functional radar for getting accurate information on surface and air targets. The ship will also have close-range combat capability with four AK-630 rapid-fire guns and a medium range gun, as well as twin-tube torperdo launchers and ASW ( Anti-Submarine Warfare) rocket launchers.

The shape of the ship avoids vertical surfaces, which would perfectly reflect any radar beams directly back to the emitter. Retro-reflective right angles are eliminated to avoid causing the cat’s eye effect. A stealthy ship shape is achieved by constructing the hull and superstructure with a series of slightly protruding and retruding surfaces.

The destroyer will be capable of carrying two multi-role helicopters onboard adding to its ASW capability and would be able to attain a maximum speed of 30 knots. After test runs, the INS Kochi will be inducted into the Navy in 2011.
http://www.devicemag.com/2009/09/18/...yer-ins-kochi/

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Just behind the main gun, there are 2 x 24 Barak-8 LR-SAM, after that 2 x 8 Brahmos VLS and near the helicopter deck there are 4 x 8 Barak-1.

INS Kochi launch video,

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/v...ow/5026410.cms

The ship looks very advanced and clean shaped.
That is not evident from the CG or any photomaterials.

In the original model, you had (from front to back)
100mm main gun (old model)
8 Brahmos (VL 1x8 )
24 Shtil 9M317ME (VL 2x12)
2x RBU
32 Barak (VL 2x2x8)
2x2 TR
2x2 AK630
24 Shtil 9M317ME (VL 2x12)
2x Hangar/Helicopter

In the CG we see:
100mm main gun (new model)
16 Brahmos (VL 2x8 )
[space]
16 Barak (VL 2x8)
2x RBU
2x2 AK630
2x2 TR
[space]
16 Barak (VL 2x8)
2x Hangar/Helicopter

48 Barak-8 would seem a logical fit, considering the number of missiles on P15 (as well as on Talwar/mond-Talwar/P17). The most logical/likely places (considering Rajpur and P15 layouts) would be 24 forward for the bridge and 24 behind the aft funnel. Question remains what VL launcher is employed:
- variant 1: the 12 cell modules of the VL Shtil (i.e. 2x12+2x12, each pair of modules fitted side by side lengthwise)
- variant 2: the 8 cell modules of the Mk41 (3x8+3x8, each triplet of modules fitted either sidebyside across or one behind another)
I doubt VL launchers of the same type as for Brahmos would be used.

Depending on how rapidly the Barak-8 becomes available (it is still under development after all), it could well be that the first and possibly even the second P15A will initially be 'fitted for but not with', with VLUs to be fitted later on. I don't think this is likely, but it would at least explain the lack of VLUs on the CG.
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That is not evident from the CG or any photomaterials.

In the original model, you had (from front to back)
100mm main gun (old model)
8 Brahmos (VL 1x8 )
24 Shtil 9M317ME (VL 2x12)
2x RBU
32 Barak (VL 2x2x8)
2x2 TR
2x2 AK630
24 Shtil 9M317ME (VL 2x12)
2x Hangar/Helicopter

In the CG we see:
100mm main gun (new model)
16 Brahmos (VL 2x8 )
[space]
16 Barak (VL 2x8)
2x RBU
2x2 AK630
2x2 TR
[space]
16 Barak (VL 2x8)
2x Hangar/Helicopter

48 Barak-8 would seem a logical fit, considering the number of missiles on P15 (as well as on Talwar/mond-Talwar/P17). The most logical/likely places (considering Rajpur and P15 layouts) would be 24 forward for the bridge and 24 behind the aft funnel. Question remains what VL launcher is employed:
- variant 1: the 12 cell modules of the VL Shtil (i.e. 2x12+2x12, each pair of modules fitted side by side lengthwise)
- variant 2: the 8 cell modules of the Mk41 (3x8+3x8, each triplet of modules fitted either sidebyside across or one behind another)
I doubt VL launchers of the same type as for Brahmos would be used.

Depending on how rapidly the Barak-8 becomes available (it is still under development after all), it could well be that the first and possibly even the second P15A will initially be 'fitted for but not with', with VLUs to be fitted later on. I don't think this is likely, but it would at least explain the lack of VLUs on the CG.
There is no other 'original model' other than the one shown as CG, its originally from Indian Navy. Just behind the main gun there are VLS of the Barak-8 not Brahmos. After that Brahmos and near the heli deck ther are Barak-1 as I said. This is followed in other IN ships as well.
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There is no other 'original model' other than the one shown as CG, its originally from Indian Navy. Just behind the main gun there are VLS of the Barak-8 not Brahmos. After that Brahmos and near the heli deck ther are Barak-1 as I said. This is followed in other IN ships as well.
1) Than who's model is posted on Bharat-Rakshak (it was displayed at AeroIndia 2005)? (nb: B.Harry and ACIG.org are trusted sources)
And what about the lines drawings there by M. Muzumdar? Isn't that drawn profile remarkably similar to the profile of the actual ship (see last pic)?
What are these based on?

2) If in the CG the VLUs behind the main gun are for Barak-8, then where are the VLUs for Brahmos?

3) In which other IN ships in particular is the pattern you mention followed?

Barak-8 (note VLU beneath)


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1) Than who's model is posted on Bharat-Rakshak (it was displayed at AeroIndia 2005)? (nb: B.Harry and ACIG.org are trusted sources)
And what about the lines drawings there by M. Muzumdar? Isn't that drawn profile remarkably similar to the profile of the actual ship (see last pic)?
What are these based on?
That was just a speculation to be P-15A. Its just DDG with Brahmos from Brahmos corporation, just like FFG with Brahmos, Submarine with Brahmos etc. But if it is the earlier model of the P-15A than also the design have been changed a lot as shown in the CG.

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Behind the Barak-8. 2 X 8.

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This is Barak-2 and P-15A going to have Barak-8...



Lastly all the VLS are not shown perfectly in the CG but the weapons I have posted are correct.
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That was just a speculation to be P-15A. Its just DDG with Brahmos from Brahmos corporation, just like FFG with Brahmos, Submarine with Brahmos etc. But if it is the earlier model of the P-15A than also the design have been changed a lot as shown in the CG.
Perhaps so. But is was the first thing out there, way way before that CG and Brahmos corporation would have some idea of IN requirements, wouldn't you think?

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Behind the Barak-8. 2 X 8.
There is nothing there, that I can see. Pls take the CG and put some arrows in it.

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This is Barak-2 and P-15A going to have Barak-8...
Balony. Barak 2 = Barak NG = Barak 8
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Lastly all the VLS are not shown perfectly in the CG but the weapons I have posted are correct.
And there we have it folks: there are some VLUs not in the CG. Kindly share the source on the weaponry. If there is 2x24 Barak-8, then I expect these to be distributed with 24 by the hangar and 24 directly forward of the RBU and behind the Brahmos. This is the pattern adopted in Rajput and P15 Delhi class (not to mention the Russian Sovremenny and Chinese Type 052B ;-) on which P15A is in part based
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Business Standard has learnt that the navy has okayed the placement of an order for six Naval LCAs. At an approximate cost of Rs 150 crore per aircraft, that will provide a Rs 900 crore infusion into the Naval LCA programme.

That investment in the Tejas programme is rooted in the navy’s plan to operate both light and medium fighters off its aircraft carriers. The Naval LCA will supplement the heavier Russian MiG-29K, which has already been ordered from Russia. The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), being built at Cochin Shipyard, Kochi, has been designed with a separate aircraft lift and maintenance facilities for the LCA, in addition to facilities for the MiG-29K. That has linked the development of the Naval LCA with the construction of the IAC, which is expected to join the fleet by 2014.

But the LCA programme faces a bottleneck in choosing a new engine. Two uprated engines — the General Electric GE-414 and the Eurojet EJ-200 — are currently being evaluated, but will be supplied only by 2013-14. And only with the new engine will the LCA have the power to get airborne from an aircraft carrier.

P S Subramaniam, the Director of the Aeronautical Development Agency, which coordinates the LCA programme, explains: “We will fly the Naval LCA with the current GE-404 engine to test its flight characteristics, and whether its structural strength is sufficient for aircraft carrier operations. After the LCA is fitted with a new, more powerful engine we will take the next step of operating from an aircraft carrier.”

Meanwhile, a major shore-based test facility is coming up at INS Hansa, in Goa, which replicates an aircraft carrier deck on ground, complete with arrested recovery and a ski jump for take off. This facility, which is expected to be operational by October 2011, will be used for certifying the Naval LCA before actually flying off an aircraft carrier. This will also be used for pilots’ training and for training maintenance crews.
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NEW DELHI // In an apparent attempt to counter China’s growing sway in the strategically important Indian Ocean region, India has signed a bilateral pact with the Maldives, in which the two countries have agreed to bolster defence co-operation that is officially aimed at fortifying the security of the tiny archipelago.

Under the agreement, India will set up a sensitive radar network across the Maldives’ 26 atolls, which will be monitored by the Indian military.

The president of the Maldives, Mohamed Nasheed, said last week that “[our] partner and excellent neighbour, India, has stood by Maldives during trying times”.

Brushing aside speculation that India will build naval bases in the Maldives or that New Delhi wants to interfere in its internal affairs, Mr Nasheed said: “India is not trying to influence us. It is we who asked India to provide the radars, apart from seeking co-operation on other security matters.”

But analysts have hinted that India has a big stake in military co-operation with the Maldives.

Siddharth Srivastava, a New Delhi-based India-China relationship expert, said that for some time India had been considering the possibility of “a naval base and a listening post in the Maldives to contain Beijing’s growing muscle” in the region.

Last month, when the Indian defence minister, AK Antony, visited Male, the Maldivian capital, accompanied by a high powered Indian military delegation that included two top navy officials, details about the installation of the radar network across the Maldives was discussed and a pact for co-operation was signed.

At the end of Mr Antony’s three-day visit, reports in Maldivian newspapers said that the two sides had discussed the threat of terrorism in the region, among other security-related subjects.

The Indian defence ministry described the co-operation pact between New Delhi and Male as “natural between two good friends and equal partners”, while a ministry spokesman said India and the Maldives had agreed on a “series of measures, to step up defence co-operation”.

Explaining part of the deal, Mr Antony said the Maldivian authorities had expressed concerns over the “crucial tasks of safeguarding and protecting their vast exclusive economic zone while stating its need to develop and enhance maritime surveillance and aerial mobility capabilities”.

Mr Nasheed said last week that the installation of some of the Indian radars across 10 atolls was already in progress. As many commentators in the Maldivian media accused the radar plan as Indian encroachment on the Maldives’ sovereignty, Mr Nasheed said the defence engagement with India was mostly in the interest of the Maldives.

The president responded by saying massive poaching of coral and illegal commercial fishing by foreign trawlers taking place in Maldivian waters has had a “deleterious” impact on the country’s marine life and with India’s help the Maldives would curb such illegal activities.

Sources inside the Indian defence ministry also sought to allay fears within the Maldives – which does not have a navy of its own – and pointed out that Indian navy and coastguard warships would patrol the pirate-infested waters around the country and that the deal will also help India secure a significant part of its own territory, including the Andaman and Nicobar chains of islands.

Mr Srivastava said New Delhi had for some years been looking to set up a base in the Maldives, also in an effort to thwart a possible seaborne terror attack on India, as occurred last year in Mumbai.

“The Maldives being a Muslim country, India is wary about the influence that Pakistan may exert, including the possibility of infiltration by terror cells to launch attacks in India, as has happened in Bangladesh,” said Mr Srivastava.

Recently the administration of US President Barack Obama identified the Maldives as vulnerable to terrorists and he issued a pledge to provide military equipment and services to the country.

One day after Mr Obama issued the pledge, Robert Blake, US assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asian affairs, who is a former ambassador to the Maldives, said there were “terrorists that come through the Maldives – that transit through the Maldives.

“They face a particular challenge in terms of maintaining the ability to monitor what’s going on in their seas. They also sit astride some of the major sea-lanes in the world. So, it’s very important that they have the ability to monitor activity,” Mr Blake told Indian media.

However, most analysts see India’s military positioning in the Maldives as a furtherance of its long-term military deterrence goals against China.

In Pakistan’s Gwadar port in Baluchistan and Sri Lanka’s southern tip of Hambantota, China has been developing deep-water ports. In Bangladesh, Myanmar and Nepal too, it is helping to develop ports and other infrastructure projects.

India is concerned about China’s “string of pearls” strategy – a phrase used by western security experts to describe the way China is encircling India by establishing pockets of military and diplomatic influence in the countries surrounding India.

Sujan Dutta, a security analyst for the Telegraph newspaper in India, believes that just as China is doing, India is aiming to expand its influence in the Indian Ocean region and an Indian base in the Maldives is a move in that direction.

“This is how New Delhi hopes to sell the idea of a listening post in Addu Atoll to Male: You have concerns over your environmentally fragile exclusive economic zone and about patrolling and policing your far-flung islands, some of which are uninhabited. And we, the Indian navy, are the ‘regional stabilising force’ in the Indian Ocean,” he said.
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Sri Lanka has submitted a proposal to India on renovating and rehabilitating parts of the strategically important Kankasanthurai (KKS) harbour in Jaffna in north of the country.

The Sri Lankan Ports Authority (SPLA) recently submitted a list of “what the Lankan government expects at KKS port” to the Indian high commission officials. SLPA chairperson P. Wickrama attended the meeting.

The port is located at the northern tip of the island nation in Jaffna, a high security zone.

The Lankan army captured it from the separatist Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam in 1995 and the armed forces continue to have a heavy presence there.

A toehold in KKS is important to India because of the port’s proximity to its southern coast. India is also entrenched in the Trincomalee harbour in eastern Sri Lanka.

In the south, China has got ahead and is building the ambitious Hambantota port project in President Mahinda Rajapaksa’s home district.

India can also help SLPA in pulling out wrecks of several ships that sank off the KKS coast.

The breakwater at the KKS port — currently only used by the Lankan navy and government ships — was severely damaged during the tsunami. But the government had postponed the repair because of the security situation.

“Besides repairing the breakwater, Indian expertise could also help in dredging the sea bed off the KKS port and rehabilitating the jetties," Agil Hewageegana, senior SLPA engineer, told HT. He said India could also help build shipyards and roads.
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indigenously-designed and manufactured ‘‘stealth’’ frigate.

The 5,300-tonne frigate, INS Shivalik, armed with a deadly mix of foreign and indigenous weapon and sensor systems, is currently undergoing ‘‘advanced’’ pre-commissioning sea trials.

Interestingly, apart from Russian Shtil surface-to-air missile systems, Klub anti-ship cruise missiles and other weapons, the multi-role frigate is also armed with the Israeli ‘Barak-I’ anti-missile defence system. Already fitted on 11 frontline warships like aircraft carrier INS Viraat and destroyer INS Mysore, the 10-km range Barak-I can intercept incoming Harpoon and Exocet missiles, launched from platforms like P-3C Orion aircraft and Agosta-90B submarines which Pakistan has acquired from US and France.

‘‘INS Shivalik is the first stealth frigate to be designed and built in India. It’s a matter of great pride for the country. It should be ready to enter service in Navy in November,’’ said director-general of naval design, Rear Admiral M K Badhwar. The Project-17 to construct three stealth frigates — the other two, INS Satpura and INS Sahyadri, will be delivered in 2010-2011 — at a cost of Rs 8,101 crore at Mazagon Docks has, of course, been plagued by delays ever since it was approved by the government in 1997.

But now, with the programme on the verge of completion, the defence ministry has approved Project-17A to construct seven more frigates, with even more stealth features, for around Rs 45,000 crore. Navy initially wanted two of the seven new frigates to be built abroad to avoid time overruns. But MoD shot down the proposal, holding that four will be built at Mazagon Docks in Mumbai and the other three at Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers at Kolkata, said sources.

Navy currently has 34 warships and six submarines on order to ensure its force-levels do not dip below the existing 140 or so warships. The new inductions will help Navy strengthen its role as a ‘‘potent maritime force’’ and ‘‘stabilising influence’’ in the Indian Ocean, capable of ‘‘destruction of enemy’’ and deterrence as well as ‘‘coercive’’ and ‘‘peace’’ diplomacy.

The stealth features incorporated in the Shivalik-class frigates, including inclined surfaces, will considerably reduce their radar cross-section. To reduce the noise signature, the designers have gone in for low-noise propellers, propulsion devices and machinery, as also ‘‘vibration damping’’.
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Several years ago, the Konkan Railway approached city based DRDO - R&D Engineers - with this query: would they be able to reinforce several dilapidated railway bridges using Fibre Reinforced Polymer (FRP) composites? “When Konkan railway contacted us, we told them we were still in the process of developing the technology. Now the technology is fairly developed and the Indian Navy is one of the interested customers,” said Dr Makarand Joshi, scientist, DRDO.

FRP composites can be wrapped like a bandage on columns that have developed cracks. Once repaired with FRPs the columns are said to be stronger than their original structure - this is how oil companies rehabilitated their structures in Bhuj after the earthquake in 2002. The R and D (E) is part of a Navy project in Kolkata.

Part of this warship will be fabricated with a Fibre Reinforced Polymer, which will make it lighter and tougher; it will be easier to maintain. The Navy structure will have an additional advantage-it will be a smart structure, which will be able to communicate if it has developed a fault. Scientists will inject sensors into the FRP structure, which will be hooked up to a computer and the data will be decoded by scientists who will know if the structure develops deficiencies.

“The Indian Navy ships are exposed to harsh conditions during operations; they are interested in strain monitoring structures for their ships,” said Joshi. “The challenge is to use the sensor inputs to isolate the damaged location of the structure. We have developed that algorithm,” he added. R&D scientists say they could graduate to making different parts of the ships like sonar dome enclosures or even ship hulls using FRP composites, which could replace heavier metals.

The sensors could also be made wireless and send information to a command center located elsewhere, scientists said. Joshi agreed that this kind of smart technology would be of immense use for civilian purposes as well. “There are over 150,000 railway bridges in the country which need repairs. They could be rehabilitated using FRPs and then refurbished with sensors to monitor their own health,” Joshi said. Normally, manual inspection of these bridges to find cracks would consume a lot of time and manpower. Initially, this DRDO project was aimed at attracting the attention of the Indian Army. The team here has already constructed a prototype of a 5 metre “smart bridge” for military purposes, which is also lodged with sensors. The bridge is made out of a carbon-fibre material and is 30 per cent lighter than aluminum bridges at about the same cost. “We are yet to formally present the smart bridge to the military as several tests needs to be conducted,” a scientist said. The DRDO is also looking at private partners to manufacture the bridge on a mass scale.
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INDIA TO ASSIST SRI LANKA TO REPAIR AND RESTORE KKS HARBOUR
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Sri Lanka has sought the assistance of India to rehabilitate and repair the important Northern harbor of kankesanturai (KKS).

In a recent meeting held at the Indian High Commission in Colombo the Sri Lanka Ports Authority submitted a list of assistance Sri lanka is expecting from her Northern neighbor to make the harbor fully suitable for navigation for her ships.

First, the KKS harbor was damaged by the Tsunami and thereafter due to the security situation the harbor could not be fully restored.

The Sri Lankan Army captured the harbor from the control of the LTTE in 1995 and the Sri Lankan security forces have a heavy presence at the harbor ever since. During the occupation of the land mass by the LTTE KKS harbor became an important factor of transportation to the peninsula.

Due to the close proximity to the Indian coast KKS is also considered strategically important to India.

India is also expected to pull out several shipwrecks from the harbor that sank off the KKS coast.

The breakwater of the KKS harbor was severely damaged by the Tsunami. Sri Lanka Ports Authority thinks that india could assist Sri Lanka in dredging the port and repairing the breakwater.
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Mumbai, Sep 22 (PTI) After having served the Navy for over 30 years, the Indian Naval Ship INS Bedi was today decommissioned at Naval Dockyard in south Mumbai.

Rear Admiral Sunil Lanba, Flag Officer Commanding Maharshtra and Gujarat Area, hauled down the Naval Ensign and lowered the decommissioning pennant, bidding adieu to the ship.

Bedi, the third ship of the 19 Mine Counter Measure Squadron based in Mumbai, was acquired from the erstwhile Soviet Union and commissioned at Riga in USSR on April 27,1959 by I K Gujaral, the then Ambassador of India to USSR, with Lieutenant Commander S N Chopra as her first Captain.

With her motto as "Lead to protect", the ship was entrusted with the daunting task of going into 'harm's way' to clear the channel off mines, thus making way for the formidable warships of the Navy to pass safely.
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KHABAROVSK, September 23 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's Nerpa nuclear attack submarine, damaged in a fatal accident during tests in November last year, successfully completed the third stage of sea trials, the governor of the Khabarovsk Territory said on Wednesday.

"The submarine is in a good state of readiness and there is confidence that it will be commissioned on time," Vyacheslav Shport said.


The vessel resumed sea trials on July 10 in the Sea of Japan following extensive repairs.

On November 8, 2008, while the Nerpa was undergoing sea trials, its onboard fire suppression system activated, releasing a deadly gas into the sleeping quarters. Three crewmembers and 17 shipyard workers were killed. There were 208 people, 81 of them submariners, onboard the vessel at the time.

Following the repairs, which cost an estimated 1.9 billion rubles ($60 million), the submarine was cleared for final sea trials before being commissioned with the Russian Navy, and will be leased to the Indian Navy by the end of 2009 under the name INS Chakra.


India reportedly paid $650 million for a 10-year lease of the 12,000-ton K-152 Nerpa, an Akula II class nuclear-powered attack submarine.

Akula II class vessels are considered the quietest and deadliest of all Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines.
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MOSCOW: Russia’s nuclear attack submarine, to be leased to India, has successfully completed crucial sea trials, a senior Russian official said.

Governor of Khabarovsk Region Vyacheslav Shport said the Nerpa submarine had been put through the third stage of sea trials and was ready for delivery.

“The submarine is in a good state of readiness and there is confidence that it will be commissioned on time,” he was quoted by agencies as saying on Wednesday.

Accident


Sea trials were halted last November after 20 seamen were killed in an accidental discharge of poisonous fire-fighting gas.

Onboard training


An Indian Navy crew will now take part in the acceptance trials off the Russian Far Eastern coast. Indian submariners will also undergo onboard training to familiarise themselves with the operation of the submarine.

A Russian defence industry source said earlier this month that the Nerpa submarine would be handed over to the Indian Navy in March-April 2010.


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India reportedly paid $650 million for a 10-year lease of the 12,000-ton Nerpa, considered the quietest and deadliest of all Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines.
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Ten months ago Ajmal Kasav and his gang of marauding gunmen exposed the terror threat from the seas. Now, thanks to the fact being brought to light Porbander airport is being equipped to keep a constant vigil over the coast.

In the wake of reports that terror groups may be plotting more attacks against India, the Indian navy has decided to deploy for the first time, an entire squadron of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) to maintain a non-stop vigil of country's maritime border with Pakistan.

The Indian Navy will deploy IAF's Israeli made UAVs, Searcher and the Heron Porbander. Both drones will now pick up on any suspicious movement on the seas.

UAVs like the Searcher and Heron are unique. They can fly for upto 12 hours and send real time images to the control room. The drones have the capability to rise to an altitude so high that they cannot be spotted easily, making them ideal eyes in the skies.

Though not armed at present, the navy says it can arm the UAVs if the need be. But for the time being, to maintain a non-stop real-time vigil is what the situation demands.

So far the Navy has used its aircrafts to monitor the coastline but now the coastal monitoring will become more sophisticated.

According to information available ,the Navy has almost upgraded its infrastructure at the porbandar airport to house the UAV squadron. sources say the squadron will begin operations by december. In fact the Indian Coast Guard has already moved a squadron of Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv from Goa to Porbandar.
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NATO has reportedly warned of possible attacks from pro-Qaeda Somali pirates on Indian sailing vessels and sailors, off the coast of Somalia. The attacks could take place over the next few weeks, as weather off the coast of Somalia and the surrounding the Gulf of Aden improves.

According to media reports, NATO has assured the Indian Navy of its assistance in its anti-piracy drive.

The sea surrounding the Gulf of Aden is patrolled by the navies of NATO, India and other nations, and cooperate closely with each other
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Ghost assault - Navy dismisses claims of beating fishermen, but orders inquiry

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Rajkot: The Indian Navy has ordered an inquiry into last week’s incident some 90 nautical miles south off the Diu coast where 40 men onboard six fishing vessels were beaten up and their fishing licences and IDs were seized allegedly by personnel of the Offshore Defence Advisory Group (ODAG). Some of the injured fishermen had to be admitted to hospitals.

The ODAG comprising personnel from the Navy, Coast Guard and the intelligence units were patrolling the area on a tug owned by public sector undertaking Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC).

Madhulika Burman, in-charge corporate communication ONGC (Mumbai) said Samudrika-lll was leased to ODAG.

Elsewhere, Group Captain M G Mehta, the Defence spokesperson for Gujarat said: “It is not a Defence vessel. There is no question of the involvement of Navy staff.”

Senior Navy officers in Gujarat said they have, however, ordered an inquiry to check on ONGC’s claims. “An inquiry will be set up. But the Navy needs to find out whether the incident comes under the jurisdiction of Gujarat or Mumbai, and if on that particular day Samudrika-III was hired by the Navy, and also about the crew,” said an officer.

Meanwhile, the injured fishermen are yet to hear anything about the confiscated documents. The men who beat them up had issued signed certificates on plain pieces of papers stating that the Navy had carried out the investigation and had confiscated the papers.

Even as the possibility of the fishermen having unknowingly strayed into the ONGC oilfield area is being discussed, there has been no word on why they were beaten up, and by whom. There is no clarity as to who issued them the signed receipts on behalf of the Navy, if the naval staff were not onboard the ONGC vessel.

Most of the fishermen sustained severe bruises on the thighs, shoulders, arms, abdomen, besides internal injuries. One of them, Darti Raja, the tandel (captain) of Tirupatinath said he was clubbed. He has lost his hearing and suspects having sustained skull injuries.

The fishermen said they were roughed up so badly that they could not sail back after the incident. They drifted on the high seas for three days before finally reaching Diu on September 19. Kanji Chudasma, the tandel of Kamryog said: “On September 14, Samudrika-III apprehended a Veraval-based boat. They sent the boat back to us. One by one the boats were called and the fishermen summoned onboard Samudrika-III. They beat us up with wooden sticks. Each fisherman received 30-35 wounds,” said Kanji.

The crew of Tirupatinath was the first to be called to Samudrika-III, followed by Ishwarkrupa, Karmyog and other boats.

“We saw five men on deck. We don’t know if there were more inside. All of them were in causal wear. No one was in uniform,” said Kanji.

The fishermen, who submitted a memorandum in this regard to the Diu Collector on Tuesday, said, “We were told that our documents will be sent back to our homes by post. But, nothing has arrived yet.”

‘Dubious’ documents
The six certificates issued on plain paper to the fishermen says: This is to certify that during inspection/investigation of my fishing vessel carried out by the Indian Navy on 14/9/09, no item was confiscated/ damaged/taken by the investigating authorities. All papers were checked and returned to the master of the fishing boat. There are no complaints of any nature of investigation carried out.

The handwriting below it says: Following documents are taken by the Indian Navy in the oilfield area.

1) ID card-6; 2) Fishing License-1

3) Boat documents-1

The right hand corner of the certificate bears the signature of the boat master along with the date, while the countersign doesn’t bear the name or rank of the Navy officer.
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