IAI Lavi
 

How would it be if it would had been built for the Israeli Air Force, would had had been even better that the J-10

J-10 came later and would incorparated newer stuff like avionics...but the Israelis can always upgrade their....a better question is can the J-10 be better than Lavi ?

It's extremely difficult to tell:
The Lavi didn't become operational, and the J-10's performances are undisclosed.
As far as I understand, the J-10 is pretty much a more powerful air superiority version of the Lavi. It depends on what you need - if you are asking which is the better interceptor, it is probably the J-10. But if you are asking which is the better multi role fighter, I would still have to say the Lavi. It probably still has a better capablity in air to ground and CAS fields. The Lavi's avionics of the last generation tested on the Lavi TD are still considered as some of the best avionic equipment in the world. On the other hand, the J-10's avionics suite is unknown, but will probably be less advanced than the Lavi, to keep it cheap.
We can go on, but the rest is mostly baseless guessing.

I always thought Lavi would've had a lot of export success, I mean it would've probably been cheaper and smaller than the F-16 and M2K yet also with no political strings attached.

Also Erez, how can you make the assumption that the 1980s Lavi with modern 80s avionics is better than the 2000s J-10 and especially not knowing whats in the J-10?

No political strings? Are all Lavi parts produced in Israel without any US funding? :cool:

Sadly, not true.
The Lavi still had American parts in it, most importantly the engine.

Well, it's not exactly 80s avionics. We're talking about avionics that were developed in the late 80s, and deployed in the upgrade projects the IAI carried through the 90s. The modern avionics the IAI is building today are based over the avionics that were developed for the Lavi. Also, the operational Lavi was supposed to have a modular avionics suite, that would have been upgraded every several years.
So I think that an operational Lavi, especially of the last Lavis that were supposed to be delievered to the IDF/AF in 2003, would have been more advanced when it comes to avionics than the J-10.
But since it's all theories, no one can claim to be 100% right.

Like the IAI Kfir which are "influenced" by the Mirage-5, thus, dependence on
French technology; or, like that of the mighty Cheetah of South Africa which are based on the
Mirage 3, thus heavily dependent on notes, technolgies, references etc., from Dassault...

The "Lavi", like that of the F-CK-1, or like that of the Mitsubishi F-2,
"inarguably", are dependent on technology, funding, financings, as well as political backings
from America in order for it to become the wonders and the success it is.

In other words...

"Israel is not the miracle maker it likes to believe it is!!!"

Or, to put simply: If American fundings and political backings comes
to a stop, ultimately, the flow of F-16 technology for which the Lavi is so dependent,
and so based, too and automatically, must come to a full stop.

And, as we can all bear witness, the
"Lavi", indeed has come to a full stop without American blessings to
keep the Lavi wheels continue grinding!


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???
Edi, don't you have better things to do other than writing all these unrelated BS?
Heck, it's not even related in any rational manner to the quote you added that was written by nani!.
And what's with the "influenced" thing?
The Kfir is based over the Mirage V. Period (why are we talking about it on an 'Lavi VS J-10' thread anyway??).
"Inagruably"? "the flow of F-16 technology for which the Lavi is so dependent"?
1) That's your own personal (and IMHO, uneducated) view of the Lavi project. We've been through it so many times. One and a half years ago, when I registered to this forum, I did it in order to get into a discussion about the Lavi project. Ever since then I hear people like you talking about how the Lavi is an F-16 variant, and while I always show proofs and evidents it isn't, the BS celebration goes on.
2) It's unrelated in any manner to the original topic, which itself is pretty much pointless as we don't have enough info about the J-10.

PS: No offence meant, you are still my favorite forum crazy ;) :diablo:

Hmmm.........wonder what their kids would look like :D

J-10 pouncing upon F-16 :diablo:
May I have the honour to present some intresting Pics for this thread....

http://www.strange-mecha.com/aircraft/Ente/lavi.jpg
http://www2.odn.ne.jp/flip-around/mi...aft/lavi_5.jpg
http://www.terravista.pt/guincho/3174/Lavi-1.jpg
http://ae-www.technion.ac.il/img/lavi.gif

Regds
Infinite

More and More and.......
http://www.eichhorn.ws/assets/images/iai_lavi.jpg
http://www2.odn.ne.jp/flip-around/mi...aft/lavi_2.jpg
http://aircraftstories.free.fr/mono/...ription/11.jpg
http://www.futura-dtp.dk/Flysiden/images/Lavi.jpg
http://www.modellsport.de/bilderport...r/Lavi0204.jpg
http://web.utanet.at/aero/pic23b.jpg
http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand...cture/lavi.gif
http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/drwg/s/lavi.gif
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/israel/pics/lavi1.jpg

the whole point is to see if Israel which is a nation of less than 9 Million people had had developed a better fighter than the mighty China if the Lavi would had continue it`s development according to what Israel planned and today`s Israeli technology.
The J-10 might have incorporated some Lavi technology but we do not know if Israel later would had had upgraded and even built their Pratt & Whitney engines under license and later even upgrade it

Seems to be you lived not through that times personally. Just wait and see, when the truth will surface about those "national" projects" one day. From first drawings, prototypes to defenite series product, even the external view changes considerably. To miss-use this to confirm, there is no real heritage is ... :p
Even Boeing claims that the F-18E is a total new aircraft and most parts are different from F-18C. The YF-17 is the same compared to F-18. :)

It doesn't matter whether I lived through that time. Most of the information about the Lavi project and the development of the plane was already released, if not all of it.

Living in a country with military censorship your internal view is limited by national intrests to be polite. Most data and infos about the "Lavi-project" came from companies related to that project and idependent foreign publications. Similar to Merkava, most parts came from those at first. During the development an infrastructure had to built-up to produce those parts domestically. Licences still pay for sharing the production know-how. The whole thing does work only, when built in high numbers and cheap Israeli labour. To achive that high numbers, Lavi had to be exported very fast, to ease the burden of developing.
None saw the benefit of an Israeli F-16 clone. Where to export with such a high content of US-restricted parts. Israels economy was so weak in the 80s after costly Lebanon war. Israel could not take the offer like Turkey did, to manufacture further purchases of F-16 at home. In my opinion, Israel was lucky by that. No white elephant to keep alive with tax-payers money. :)
Have someone an idea, how many licences were taken by China to keep its aviation industry going?! ;)

I don't want to get into this discussion again. It's unrelated to the topic of the thread.
About the censorship - from the moment the project was cancelled, and even more, throughout the years, most of the information, whether technical or just personal stories, were released.